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	<title>Comments on: Sex News: Spreading Santorum, Rape in the US, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Farm Animals</title>
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		<title>By: Zaftiguana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zaftiguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 21:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point, Violet, is that you&#039;re linking uncritically to articles that badly misrepresent a woman&#039;s gynecological and obstetric experiences for political purposes. The fact that I think that the woman involved is gross and that her hypocritical reaction to her experiences blows my mind a little doesn&#039;t make me feel like that&#039;s okay.

She didn&#039;t want the fetus to die inside her. She didn&#039;t want the fetus to die at all. It&#039;s why she went through the very dangerous-to-her surgical procedure to try to prevent that. I seem to recall from other articles covering their full interview that they were (understandably) glad that the baby was born alive so they could spend even a small amount of time together before his death. She understood (totally accurately) that whether he died inside or outside her body, he was going to die. She just didn&#039;t want to take steps to terminate the pregnancy herself. I think that undertaking the risks to herself that were inherent in that choice was wholly irrational, but that was her choice and her body, &quot;her body, her choice&quot; being a concept of which I am a fan whether or not I agree with said choice or personally like the owner of said body. She admits that had it truly been necessary, she would have done more. That warrants discussion, considering she and her husband&#039;s political opinions on that issue. A factually inaccurate twisting of a woman&#039;s traumatic obstetric experience, however, does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point, Violet, is that you&#8217;re linking uncritically to articles that badly misrepresent a woman&#8217;s gynecological and obstetric experiences for political purposes. The fact that I think that the woman involved is gross and that her hypocritical reaction to her experiences blows my mind a little doesn&#8217;t make me feel like that&#8217;s okay.</p>
<p>She didn&#8217;t want the fetus to die inside her. She didn&#8217;t want the fetus to die at all. It&#8217;s why she went through the very dangerous-to-her surgical procedure to try to prevent that. I seem to recall from other articles covering their full interview that they were (understandably) glad that the baby was born alive so they could spend even a small amount of time together before his death. She understood (totally accurately) that whether he died inside or outside her body, he was going to die. She just didn&#8217;t want to take steps to terminate the pregnancy herself. I think that undertaking the risks to herself that were inherent in that choice was wholly irrational, but that was her choice and her body, &#8220;her body, her choice&#8221; being a concept of which I am a fan whether or not I agree with said choice or personally like the owner of said body. She admits that had it truly been necessary, she would have done more. That warrants discussion, considering she and her husband&#8217;s political opinions on that issue. A factually inaccurate twisting of a woman&#8217;s traumatic obstetric experience, however, does not.</p>
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		<title>By: violet blue</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2012/01/sex-news-spreading-santorum-rape-in-the-us-maggie-gyllenhaal-farm-animals.html/comment-page-1#comment-19138</link>
		<dc:creator>violet blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 19:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;both misleadingly call it an abortion, as do you, Violet, in your roundup, which is simply not correct.&quot;

Just so we&#039;re clear, the writing in this post is a pull quote from the original article I linked to. If you had read this post closely, and then Lousy Canuck&#039;s post closely, you would see that you are reacting to Lousy Canuck&#039;s words, not my own.

You&#039;ll also want to re-read the account: http://oursilverribbon.org/blog/?p=188

What Mrs. Santorum did to avoid the situation being called an abortion is horrifying. Basically, she wanted the infected and dying fetus to die inside of her first - the outcome of the fetus was already known either way. What&#039;s most bizarre is that when you read it, you realize that childbirth itself - the act of labor, induced or otherwise - is being defined here as &quot;abortion&quot; (by the Santorums). 

BUT - she did say she would have done it anyway:

&quot;Karen, a soft-spoken red-haired 37-year-old, said that “ultimately” she would have agreed to intervention for the sake of her other children.

“If the physician came to me and said if we don’t deliver your baby in one hour you will be dead, yeah, I would have to do it,” she said. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;both misleadingly call it an abortion, as do you, Violet, in your roundup, which is simply not correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just so we&#8217;re clear, the writing in this post is a pull quote from the original article I linked to. If you had read this post closely, and then Lousy Canuck&#8217;s post closely, you would see that you are reacting to Lousy Canuck&#8217;s words, not my own.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll also want to re-read the account: <a href="http://oursilverribbon.org/blog/?p=188" rel="nofollow">http://oursilverribbon.org/blog/?p=188</a></p>
<p>What Mrs. Santorum did to avoid the situation being called an abortion is horrifying. Basically, she wanted the infected and dying fetus to die inside of her first &#8211; the outcome of the fetus was already known either way. What&#8217;s most bizarre is that when you read it, you realize that childbirth itself &#8211; the act of labor, induced or otherwise &#8211; is being defined here as &#8220;abortion&#8221; (by the Santorums). </p>
<p>BUT &#8211; she did say she would have done it anyway:</p>
<p>&#8220;Karen, a soft-spoken red-haired 37-year-old, said that “ultimately” she would have agreed to intervention for the sake of her other children.</p>
<p>“If the physician came to me and said if we don’t deliver your baby in one hour you will be dead, yeah, I would have to do it,” she said. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2012/01/sex-news-spreading-santorum-rape-in-the-us-maggie-gyllenhaal-farm-animals.html/comment-page-1#comment-19135</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 19:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Zaftiguana.  I feel exactly as you do, i.e. I can&#039;t believe that experience did not give the Santorums more compassion for people that are faced with a pregnancy that truly puts the life of the mother at risk.

BUT both that article by Lousy Canuck and the article that it links to (&quot;Our Abortion was Different,&quot; which gives all the harrowing details of the delivery) both misleadingly call it an abortion, as do you, Violet, in your roundup, which is simply not correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Zaftiguana.  I feel exactly as you do, i.e. I can&#8217;t believe that experience did not give the Santorums more compassion for people that are faced with a pregnancy that truly puts the life of the mother at risk.</p>
<p>BUT both that article by Lousy Canuck and the article that it links to (&#8220;Our Abortion was Different,&#8221; which gives all the harrowing details of the delivery) both misleadingly call it an abortion, as do you, Violet, in your roundup, which is simply not correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaftiguana</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2012/01/sex-news-spreading-santorum-rape-in-the-us-maggie-gyllenhaal-farm-animals.html/comment-page-1#comment-19021</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaftiguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 07:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick and Karen Santorum are both repulsive human beings, but they did not abort her 19 week pregnancy. Karen delivered a living child, uninduced, that died shortly after birth due being extremely premature, among other reasons. Her body expelled the fetus early due to a uterine infection resulting from a long-shot surgery intended to help the fetus survive a defect. 

Where they&#039;re total fucking hypocrites is that they both acknowledged that if they&#039;d had to &quot;induce,&quot; which would likely have amounted to abortion, in order to save her life, they would have, but both still believe that the option of life saving pregnancy termination should be unavailable to other women. As it stands, though, Karen gave premature birth to a living infant on her own before the threat to her life made intervention necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick and Karen Santorum are both repulsive human beings, but they did not abort her 19 week pregnancy. Karen delivered a living child, uninduced, that died shortly after birth due being extremely premature, among other reasons. Her body expelled the fetus early due to a uterine infection resulting from a long-shot surgery intended to help the fetus survive a defect. </p>
<p>Where they&#8217;re total fucking hypocrites is that they both acknowledged that if they&#8217;d had to &#8220;induce,&#8221; which would likely have amounted to abortion, in order to save her life, they would have, but both still believe that the option of life saving pregnancy termination should be unavailable to other women. As it stands, though, Karen gave premature birth to a living infant on her own before the threat to her life made intervention necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: redpesto</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2012/01/sex-news-spreading-santorum-rape-in-the-us-maggie-gyllenhaal-farm-animals.html/comment-page-1#comment-18995</link>
		<dc:creator>redpesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - have you seen the outcome of the &#039;R v Peacock&#039; &#039;extreme&#039; gay porn case in the UK? (Comment piece &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2012/jan/06/michael-peacock-obscenity-trial&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/A&gt; or search with Twitter hashtag #ObscenityTrial)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; have you seen the outcome of the &#8216;R v Peacock&#8217; &#8216;extreme&#8217; gay porn case in the UK? (Comment piece <a HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2012/jan/06/michael-peacock-obscenity-trial" rel="nofollow">here</a> or search with Twitter hashtag #ObscenityTrial)</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2012/01/sex-news-spreading-santorum-rape-in-the-us-maggie-gyllenhaal-farm-animals.html/comment-page-1#comment-18993</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The statement &quot;Rape more common than smoking in the US,&quot; is untrue and I would expect better from a magazine which says it is, &quot;statistics making sense.&quot; Significance magazine article compared the number of CURRENT smokers to the number of people reported being raped in their LIFETIME. I hate to use this cliché, but that&#039;s comparing apples to organes. The article says that in 2010 1.27 million American women were raped, while the CDC reports that in 2010 there were close to 60 million smokers in the US in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statement &#8220;Rape more common than smoking in the US,&#8221; is untrue and I would expect better from a magazine which says it is, &#8220;statistics making sense.&#8221; Significance magazine article compared the number of CURRENT smokers to the number of people reported being raped in their LIFETIME. I hate to use this cliché, but that&#8217;s comparing apples to organes. The article says that in 2010 1.27 million American women were raped, while the CDC reports that in 2010 there were close to 60 million smokers in the US in 2010.</p>
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