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		<title>By: Thomas Roche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyäegha -- You&#039;re right about the wryness of the awards being one of the advantages. The cleverness of the blurbs is what makes it for me.

As to downplaying the importance of sex research, I mean that on a certain level, sex research is more likely to be selected because it is sex research, not because it&#039;s &quot;weird&quot; sex research. However, the truth is that if it being sex research makes one &quot;laugh, then think,&quot; then that seems like a valid criterion for inclusion. It may not be as weird as it&#039;d have to be if it were within physics, but then physics isn&#039;t as funny as sex (most of the time). I also see a lot of really stupid sex-related assertions written about -- everything from undemonstrated claims about energy to patently misleading and biased social sciences research about porn -- that in my view should get excoriated more than it is, but for the most part it&#039;s not really funny research...there would be no &quot;laugh&quot; part of the equation. And perhaps more importantly, it&#039;s just not the Ig Nobel&#039;s job.

Good point about Milken and Hubbard.

I stand by my bewilderment over why the award for &quot;literature&quot; would be applied some years to &quot;scientific literature&quot; and whatever the other stuff should be called...literature in a more general sense...because they&#039;re really not the same word, or not the same definition of the same word. But I do agree that seems like their reasoning! And it provides plenty of humor from year to year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyäegha &#8212; You&#8217;re right about the wryness of the awards being one of the advantages. The cleverness of the blurbs is what makes it for me.</p>
<p>As to downplaying the importance of sex research, I mean that on a certain level, sex research is more likely to be selected because it is sex research, not because it&#8217;s &#8220;weird&#8221; sex research. However, the truth is that if it being sex research makes one &#8220;laugh, then think,&#8221; then that seems like a valid criterion for inclusion. It may not be as weird as it&#8217;d have to be if it were within physics, but then physics isn&#8217;t as funny as sex (most of the time). I also see a lot of really stupid sex-related assertions written about &#8212; everything from undemonstrated claims about energy to patently misleading and biased social sciences research about porn &#8212; that in my view should get excoriated more than it is, but for the most part it&#8217;s not really funny research&#8230;there would be no &#8220;laugh&#8221; part of the equation. And perhaps more importantly, it&#8217;s just not the Ig Nobel&#8217;s job.</p>
<p>Good point about Milken and Hubbard.</p>
<p>I stand by my bewilderment over why the award for &#8220;literature&#8221; would be applied some years to &#8220;scientific literature&#8221; and whatever the other stuff should be called&#8230;literature in a more general sense&#8230;because they&#8217;re really not the same word, or not the same definition of the same word. But I do agree that seems like their reasoning! And it provides plenty of humor from year to year.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyäegha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyäegha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas Roche - &quot;However, I believe you sound a bit outraged in your response to me.&quot;
-&gt; Sorry if I came out as such - please note that English isn&#039;t my first language, and maybe my comment sounded harsher than I intended?

I just wanted to point out that, IMO, the awards they give for ridiculous claims serve a similar role to the (more common) awards they give for weird but valid science, simply in a different way. Of course, that doesn&#039;t mean that all of the awards are necessarily &#039;right&#039; choices (it&#039;s always very subjective anyway); I&#039;m just defending the idea in principle, not on a case-by-case basis. I do agree that there can be an issue with people not understanding what a given award really means, but I think there are two very good reasons for doing things the way they do:
- they assume that most people are intelligent enough to understand the awards, which I think is a more positive approach than assuming that most people need extra explanations to understand irony;
- the idea is to give awards to “research that makes people laugh, then think”: so it&#039;s up to us to think what we want of the nominees.

I&#039;m not sure I understand your point about the Ig Nobels downplaying the importance of sex research though: the majority of the awards are given for research that are valid but very obscure or just plain weird, and from the examples you quoted, I just don&#039;t see how that&#039;s different from the awards related to other fields of research, like, say, food science or medicine?

Finally, about the paranormal stuff: frankly, I just don&#039;t see much of a difference between someone like L. Ron Hubbard and someone like Michael Milken (who got the 1991 economics prize for inventing junk bonds): at the end of the day, both were con artists operating on people&#039;s beliefs, just not beliefs in the same things... Not to mention that ridiculing _both_ Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, etc. (with the economics prize) _and_ BP (with the chemistry prize) in 2010 could definitely be called &quot;shooting fish in a barrel&quot; too - but that didn&#039;t make it any less funny.

(BTW, about the 1995 literature prize about rectal foreign bodies, since you were apparently wondering why it&#039;s classified as literature: I think the literature prize is sometimes awarded as a prize for a - more or less - literary work, and sometimes as a prize for something related to scientific literature. Here, it would be the later, since it&#039;s a review of the existing scientific literature on the subject.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Roche &#8211; &#8220;However, I believe you sound a bit outraged in your response to me.&#8221;<br />
-&gt; Sorry if I came out as such &#8211; please note that English isn&#8217;t my first language, and maybe my comment sounded harsher than I intended?</p>
<p>I just wanted to point out that, IMO, the awards they give for ridiculous claims serve a similar role to the (more common) awards they give for weird but valid science, simply in a different way. Of course, that doesn&#8217;t mean that all of the awards are necessarily &#8216;right&#8217; choices (it&#8217;s always very subjective anyway); I&#8217;m just defending the idea in principle, not on a case-by-case basis. I do agree that there can be an issue with people not understanding what a given award really means, but I think there are two very good reasons for doing things the way they do:<br />
- they assume that most people are intelligent enough to understand the awards, which I think is a more positive approach than assuming that most people need extra explanations to understand irony;<br />
- the idea is to give awards to “research that makes people laugh, then think”: so it&#8217;s up to us to think what we want of the nominees.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand your point about the Ig Nobels downplaying the importance of sex research though: the majority of the awards are given for research that are valid but very obscure or just plain weird, and from the examples you quoted, I just don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s different from the awards related to other fields of research, like, say, food science or medicine?</p>
<p>Finally, about the paranormal stuff: frankly, I just don&#8217;t see much of a difference between someone like L. Ron Hubbard and someone like Michael Milken (who got the 1991 economics prize for inventing junk bonds): at the end of the day, both were con artists operating on people&#8217;s beliefs, just not beliefs in the same things&#8230; Not to mention that ridiculing _both_ Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, etc. (with the economics prize) _and_ BP (with the chemistry prize) in 2010 could definitely be called &#8220;shooting fish in a barrel&#8221; too &#8211; but that didn&#8217;t make it any less funny.</p>
<p>(BTW, about the 1995 literature prize about rectal foreign bodies, since you were apparently wondering why it&#8217;s classified as literature: I think the literature prize is sometimes awarded as a prize for a &#8211; more or less &#8211; literary work, and sometimes as a prize for something related to scientific literature. Here, it would be the later, since it&#8217;s a review of the existing scientific literature on the subject.)</p>
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		<title>By: M W</title>
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		<dc:creator>M W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ig Nobel award is given to “research that makes you laugh, then think”, not to research that is just stupid. The research is supposed to SEEM ridiculous, but actually be really important. Of course &quot;completely boneheaded science on human sexuality gets a free pass&quot;! It doesn&#039;t fulfill the &quot;makes you think&quot; part. If it&#039;s not good science it doesn&#039;t deserve the prize. 

As for the recipients listed in your article... it seems like perfectly valid science because it IS perfectly valid science, and that&#039;s why they received the prize: because it&#039;s funny but also important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ig Nobel award is given to “research that makes you laugh, then think”, not to research that is just stupid. The research is supposed to SEEM ridiculous, but actually be really important. Of course &#8220;completely boneheaded science on human sexuality gets a free pass&#8221;! It doesn&#8217;t fulfill the &#8220;makes you think&#8221; part. If it&#8217;s not good science it doesn&#8217;t deserve the prize. </p>
<p>As for the recipients listed in your article&#8230; it seems like perfectly valid science because it IS perfectly valid science, and that&#8217;s why they received the prize: because it&#8217;s funny but also important.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Roche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick Draw -- Yeah...I&#039;m not so sure about that. In any event, me ridiculing von Daniken is not the point of the article above. Ultimately, this isn&#039;t the venue to discuss esoteric magnetism, but if Haramein is doing, or Leedskalnin did, any sex research, that&#039;s another story. I&#039;ll look into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick Draw &#8212; Yeah&#8230;I&#8217;m not so sure about that. In any event, me ridiculing von Daniken is not the point of the article above. Ultimately, this isn&#8217;t the venue to discuss esoteric magnetism, but if Haramein is doing, or Leedskalnin did, any sex research, that&#8217;s another story. I&#8217;ll look into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Roche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyäegha -- I&#039;m not at all sure I agree; what is evident to some readers may not be evident to everyone, though certainly it seems evident to the recipients, given those who declined or ignored the award vs. those who graciously accepted. This would include, for instance, the scientist who couldn&#039;t attend because she&#039;d just given birth, and so sent her acceptance speech in the form of a video with herself and her new daughter in cow costume, in the company of a real cow. I find it unlikely that Pat Robertson would take similar action, indicating that the people who are being made fun of are aware they&#039;re being made fun of, and the people who are being ribbed are aware they&#039;re being ribbed.

I stand by my claim that the Ig Nobels, and science in general, often tends to downplay the importance of real sex research and be unaware of just how much shitty sex research is promulgated as real science. I admit that it is not, however, the job of scientists who don&#039;t specialize in behavioral human sexuality commentary and activism, but DO specialize in making fun of science, to back away from sexuality just because it&#039;s *my* sacred cow (and one that gives more milk because I gave it a name).

As a devotee of the paranormal, I also stand by  my claim that singling von Daniken out is fairly ridiculous; while the Ig Nobels do a good job of satirizing &quot;real&quot; science that seems (at first glance, at closer look, or both) puzzling and pointless, they&#039;re way out of their depth in using the awards as a forum to promote skepticism toward people like von Daniken. Their comments about &quot;paranormal&quot; science (i.e., made-up -- at least in von Daniken&#039;s case, and L. Ron Hubbard&#039;s, and the like) just aren&#039;t that clever. It&#039;s like shooting fish in a barrel; they invariably take the easy route. Whereas their jokes about current economic issues and the like are, in my opinion, hilarious.

However, I believe you sound a bit outraged in your response to me.

What I would say in that regard is that the Ig Nobel awards display a particularly dry form of political and scientific humor. At times, their satire is brilliant. But they&#039;re not the only ones with a dry sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyäegha &#8212; I&#8217;m not at all sure I agree; what is evident to some readers may not be evident to everyone, though certainly it seems evident to the recipients, given those who declined or ignored the award vs. those who graciously accepted. This would include, for instance, the scientist who couldn&#8217;t attend because she&#8217;d just given birth, and so sent her acceptance speech in the form of a video with herself and her new daughter in cow costume, in the company of a real cow. I find it unlikely that Pat Robertson would take similar action, indicating that the people who are being made fun of are aware they&#8217;re being made fun of, and the people who are being ribbed are aware they&#8217;re being ribbed.</p>
<p>I stand by my claim that the Ig Nobels, and science in general, often tends to downplay the importance of real sex research and be unaware of just how much shitty sex research is promulgated as real science. I admit that it is not, however, the job of scientists who don&#8217;t specialize in behavioral human sexuality commentary and activism, but DO specialize in making fun of science, to back away from sexuality just because it&#8217;s *my* sacred cow (and one that gives more milk because I gave it a name).</p>
<p>As a devotee of the paranormal, I also stand by  my claim that singling von Daniken out is fairly ridiculous; while the Ig Nobels do a good job of satirizing &#8220;real&#8221; science that seems (at first glance, at closer look, or both) puzzling and pointless, they&#8217;re way out of their depth in using the awards as a forum to promote skepticism toward people like von Daniken. Their comments about &#8220;paranormal&#8221; science (i.e., made-up &#8212; at least in von Daniken&#8217;s case, and L. Ron Hubbard&#8217;s, and the like) just aren&#8217;t that clever. It&#8217;s like shooting fish in a barrel; they invariably take the easy route. Whereas their jokes about current economic issues and the like are, in my opinion, hilarious.</p>
<p>However, I believe you sound a bit outraged in your response to me.</p>
<p>What I would say in that regard is that the Ig Nobel awards display a particularly dry form of political and scientific humor. At times, their satire is brilliant. But they&#8217;re not the only ones with a dry sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: QuickDrawMcGraw</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuickDrawMcGraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should check out Nassim Haramein and Edward Leedskalnin.   Maybe they can help change your mind about some of the projects you are condemning above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should check out Nassim Haramein and Edward Leedskalnin.   Maybe they can help change your mind about some of the projects you are condemning above.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyäegha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyäegha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m on record as thinking that the Ig Nobel awards display, alongside their precocious cleverness, a stubborn love of ignorance when it comes to many topics, chief among them…science. What I mean to say is that it’s pretty ridiculous to give an award to Erich von Däniken, who said that human beings were taught to build pyramids by aliens from outer space, or to Pat Robertson for saying God told him the world would end in 1982 — and then give the same damned award to research investigating “why discus throwers become dizzy, and why hammer throwers don’t.” The latter example is science; the first two are made-up garbage. They might both seem silly, but they’re not the same thing.&quot;
It&#039;s not ridiculous, because they are &quot;the same damned award&quot; in name only... Most Ig Noble prizes are awarded for valid, if weird, research, and are genuine awards; some awards are ironically given to complete nutjobs (like the 2011 mathematics prize) or just plain dangerous people or corporations (like the 2009 and 2010 economics prizes, or BP&#039;s inclusion in the 2010 chemistry prize) to ridicule them. The difference between the two types of awards is usually clear enough that there is really no need to have different award names for both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m on record as thinking that the Ig Nobel awards display, alongside their precocious cleverness, a stubborn love of ignorance when it comes to many topics, chief among them…science. What I mean to say is that it’s pretty ridiculous to give an award to Erich von Däniken, who said that human beings were taught to build pyramids by aliens from outer space, or to Pat Robertson for saying God told him the world would end in 1982 — and then give the same damned award to research investigating “why discus throwers become dizzy, and why hammer throwers don’t.” The latter example is science; the first two are made-up garbage. They might both seem silly, but they’re not the same thing.&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s not ridiculous, because they are &#8220;the same damned award&#8221; in name only&#8230; Most Ig Noble prizes are awarded for valid, if weird, research, and are genuine awards; some awards are ironically given to complete nutjobs (like the 2011 mathematics prize) or just plain dangerous people or corporations (like the 2009 and 2010 economics prizes, or BP&#8217;s inclusion in the 2010 chemistry prize) to ridicule them. The difference between the two types of awards is usually clear enough that there is really no need to have different award names for both.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyäegha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyäegha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m on record as thinking that the Ig Nobel awards display, alongside their precocious cleverness, a stubborn love of ignorance when it comes to many topics, chief among them…science. What I mean to say is that it’s pretty ridiculous to give an award to Erich von Däniken, who said that human beings were taught to build pyramids by aliens from outer space, or to Pat Robertson for saying God told him the world would end in 1982 — and then give the same damned award to research investigating “why discus throwers become dizzy, and why hammer throwers don’t.” The latter example is science; the first two are made-up garbage. They might both seem silly, but they’re not the same thing.&quot;
It&#039;s not ridiculous, because they are &quot;the same damned award&quot; in name only... Most Ig Noble prizes are awarded for valid, if weird, research, and a; some awards are given to complete nutjobs (like the 2011 mathematics prize) or just plain dangerous people (like the 2009 and 2010 economics prizes, or BP being included in the 2010 chemistry prize) to ridicule them. The difference between the two types of awards is usually clear enough that there is really no need to have different awards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m on record as thinking that the Ig Nobel awards display, alongside their precocious cleverness, a stubborn love of ignorance when it comes to many topics, chief among them…science. What I mean to say is that it’s pretty ridiculous to give an award to Erich von Däniken, who said that human beings were taught to build pyramids by aliens from outer space, or to Pat Robertson for saying God told him the world would end in 1982 — and then give the same damned award to research investigating “why discus throwers become dizzy, and why hammer throwers don’t.” The latter example is science; the first two are made-up garbage. They might both seem silly, but they’re not the same thing.&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s not ridiculous, because they are &#8220;the same damned award&#8221; in name only&#8230; Most Ig Noble prizes are awarded for valid, if weird, research, and a; some awards are given to complete nutjobs (like the 2011 mathematics prize) or just plain dangerous people (like the 2009 and 2010 economics prizes, or BP being included in the 2010 chemistry prize) to ridicule them. The difference between the two types of awards is usually clear enough that there is really no need to have different awards</p>
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