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	<title>Comments on: For the Love of Susie Bright: What No One Will Say About What Happened With Craigslist&#8217;s Adult Services</title>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2010/09/for-the-love-of-susie-bright-what-no-one-will-say-about-what-happened-with-craigslists-adult-services.html/comment-page-1#comment-9558</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 03:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to say that I have limited familiarity with Craigslist and everythign it offers. My knowledge of it was that it was a site full of scams and fake ads, so please forgive my ignorance. But wasn&#039;t this adult section taken down almost as a direct result of that case involving a sexual assault? http://snipurl.com/16myy2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say that I have limited familiarity with Craigslist and everythign it offers. My knowledge of it was that it was a site full of scams and fake ads, so please forgive my ignorance. But wasn&#8217;t this adult section taken down almost as a direct result of that case involving a sexual assault? <a href="http://snipurl.com/16myy2" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/16myy2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh. thank you Violet.
i feel very sorry for Americans. sex work needs to be legalized.
and Susie Bright&#039;s article is wonderful.

on the off : kijiji used to run personal, free &quot;love &amp; sex&quot; ads like CL in Germany.
yes, lots of hookers and fakes migrated to the private ad section because as professionals they would have had to pay.

and then ebay took over - and no more free &quot;love &amp; sex&quot; ads.
duh.

btw luuve your blog ;-)
cheerio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh. thank you Violet.<br />
i feel very sorry for Americans. sex work needs to be legalized.<br />
and Susie Bright&#8217;s article is wonderful.</p>
<p>on the off : kijiji used to run personal, free &#8220;love &amp; sex&#8221; ads like CL in Germany.<br />
yes, lots of hookers and fakes migrated to the private ad section because as professionals they would have had to pay.</p>
<p>and then ebay took over &#8211; and no more free &#8220;love &amp; sex&#8221; ads.<br />
duh.</p>
<p>btw luuve your blog ;-)<br />
cheerio</p>
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		<title>By: Amba Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amba Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am copying here what I wrote in response on Susie&#039;s site.  I hope that&#039;s okay because I really appreciated your noting this discussion.

&quot;Susie,
Always one of my heros. I would like to add to the perspectives on this. I am the on the board of Directors of MISSSEY, one of the very few agencies in the US working directly with Commercially Sexually Exploited Minors as well as on their behalf, I came there after being a child welfare worker working with the same population. I cannot tell you how sad it made it us when CL pulled.

It is true that minors were advertised on the site but you are write, hardly CL&#039;s fault. We knew but ironically it helped us find, lost, kidnapped and exploited minors.

It was stunning that the tone of many reports seem to imply that if CL pulled child exploitation would be dealt a mighty blow...really? seriously?!!

More over CL was in fact working hard behind the scenes to help us reach those very children through CL, it also offered a way to start to get information out to the client population so that there could be distinctions between an adult worker which yea! as far as I am concerned and an exploited child - the differences and facts that should bear on their (the sex work client&#039;s) decision making process.

And now that opportunity  is gone and gone to the winds with it is what was an exciting and hopeful moment for us who do work in the trenches.

I also think the distinction is vital. As an adult that supports and agrees with adult providers value and place in society, I am aware that without this distinction, our work is muddied also. We are not trying to save the world from sex! We are trying to say and need to make distinctions in order to be supported that sex is for adults and sex work is an adult profession but then so is brain surgery so not a shocking position really but one that makes a line that I would hope enlists the adult sex worker community on behalf of children being exploited.  It is simply a modern example of the horror of child labor a hundred years ago.   Of course this exploitation feels a hundred times more horrifying if that is possible.

Legalized adult sex workers would go a long way toward further highlighting the criminal element that uses and exploits children. Further, that legalization would make the exploitation of the children a less cost effective choice for a pimp, because cold as that is...it is what is driving it...money honey...so when it is no longer a cost effective choice, children become that much safer.

Thanks Suzie for your voice and work,

AJ, President of the Board of Directors of MISSSEY&quot;

I want to thank You also, Violet, for all your work.  Freedom to enjoy sex as adults without repression is another blow in, my opinion, to the industry of exploitation, which I distinguish from the adult profession of being a provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am copying here what I wrote in response on Susie&#8217;s site.  I hope that&#8217;s okay because I really appreciated your noting this discussion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Susie,<br />
Always one of my heros. I would like to add to the perspectives on this. I am the on the board of Directors of MISSSEY, one of the very few agencies in the US working directly with Commercially Sexually Exploited Minors as well as on their behalf, I came there after being a child welfare worker working with the same population. I cannot tell you how sad it made it us when CL pulled.</p>
<p>It is true that minors were advertised on the site but you are write, hardly CL&#8217;s fault. We knew but ironically it helped us find, lost, kidnapped and exploited minors.</p>
<p>It was stunning that the tone of many reports seem to imply that if CL pulled child exploitation would be dealt a mighty blow&#8230;really? seriously?!!</p>
<p>More over CL was in fact working hard behind the scenes to help us reach those very children through CL, it also offered a way to start to get information out to the client population so that there could be distinctions between an adult worker which yea! as far as I am concerned and an exploited child &#8211; the differences and facts that should bear on their (the sex work client&#8217;s) decision making process.</p>
<p>And now that opportunity  is gone and gone to the winds with it is what was an exciting and hopeful moment for us who do work in the trenches.</p>
<p>I also think the distinction is vital. As an adult that supports and agrees with adult providers value and place in society, I am aware that without this distinction, our work is muddied also. We are not trying to save the world from sex! We are trying to say and need to make distinctions in order to be supported that sex is for adults and sex work is an adult profession but then so is brain surgery so not a shocking position really but one that makes a line that I would hope enlists the adult sex worker community on behalf of children being exploited.  It is simply a modern example of the horror of child labor a hundred years ago.   Of course this exploitation feels a hundred times more horrifying if that is possible.</p>
<p>Legalized adult sex workers would go a long way toward further highlighting the criminal element that uses and exploits children. Further, that legalization would make the exploitation of the children a less cost effective choice for a pimp, because cold as that is&#8230;it is what is driving it&#8230;money honey&#8230;so when it is no longer a cost effective choice, children become that much safer.</p>
<p>Thanks Suzie for your voice and work,</p>
<p>AJ, President of the Board of Directors of MISSSEY&#8221;</p>
<p>I want to thank You also, Violet, for all your work.  Freedom to enjoy sex as adults without repression is another blow in, my opinion, to the industry of exploitation, which I distinguish from the adult profession of being a provider.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people fighting Craigslist&#039;s erotic section...what did they hope to accomplish with this?  Have they ever even been on a Craigslist page?  Everyone knows that if pickings on the erotic section are a bit slim (or over spammed) you then proceed to the Casual Encounters or Therapeutic Services sections.  Are they going to suggest banning those next?  Where will it end?  

I can almost deal with actions or ideas I strongly disagree with, IF they&#039;re well thought out and reasoned.  But this?  This is just... dumb!  Moronic!  The height of idiocy!  It&#039;s like if I got YouPorn shut down, and started trumpeting how I ended pornography on the internet, or talked about how I stopped the spread of Islam by burning a Koran (doesn&#039;t work; I tried it with a Book of Mormon once.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people fighting Craigslist&#8217;s erotic section&#8230;what did they hope to accomplish with this?  Have they ever even been on a Craigslist page?  Everyone knows that if pickings on the erotic section are a bit slim (or over spammed) you then proceed to the Casual Encounters or Therapeutic Services sections.  Are they going to suggest banning those next?  Where will it end?  </p>
<p>I can almost deal with actions or ideas I strongly disagree with, IF they&#8217;re well thought out and reasoned.  But this?  This is just&#8230; dumb!  Moronic!  The height of idiocy!  It&#8217;s like if I got YouPorn shut down, and started trumpeting how I ended pornography on the internet, or talked about how I stopped the spread of Islam by burning a Koran (doesn&#8217;t work; I tried it with a Book of Mormon once.)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve from Nevada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve from Nevada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said it before, a guy can find escort services through Casual Encounters.  Similarly, a lady can get help with rent money be providing company through Casual Encounters.
The only way for them to completely &quot;get rid of  the problem&quot; is to cease all personal advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said it before, a guy can find escort services through Casual Encounters.  Similarly, a lady can get help with rent money be providing company through Casual Encounters.<br />
The only way for them to completely &#8220;get rid of  the problem&#8221; is to cease all personal advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhacodactylus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhacodactylus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 04:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s shameful . . . I couldn&#039;t be more ashamed of my country right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s shameful . . . I couldn&#8217;t be more ashamed of my country right now.</p>
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