Comments on: from Penny Flame to Becoming Jennie: on her own terms http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/11/from-penny-flame-to-becoming-jennie-on-her-own-terms.html Journalist and author Violet Blue's site for sex and tech culture, accurate sex information, erotica and more. Tue, 26 May 2015 17:18:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Abolitionist http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/11/from-penny-flame-to-becoming-jennie-on-her-own-terms.html/comment-page-1#comment-7226 Abolitionist Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:28:57 +0000 http://www.tinynibbles.com/?p=3741#comment-7226 Okay, that was three things. I still love your stuff, Violet! Also, I made up the 95 percent thing. I have no idea what the actual number of truly abusive (not BDSM like kink.com but real cruel punishment), fucked-up porn-machine stuff there is. But it's much, much larger than the good porn. Okay, that was three things. I still love your stuff, Violet! Also, I made up the 95 percent thing. I have no idea what the actual number of truly abusive (not BDSM like kink.com but real cruel punishment), fucked-up porn-machine stuff there is. But it’s much, much larger than the good porn.

]]> By: Abolitionist http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/11/from-penny-flame-to-becoming-jennie-on-her-own-terms.html/comment-page-1#comment-7225 Abolitionist Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:21:00 +0000 http://www.tinynibbles.com/?p=3741#comment-7225 Two things: 1. sex positive does not equal porn positive. Please make this distinction. Just because someone is into sex doesn't mean they're into porn and vice versa. I'm not against porn, but it isn't a requirement for sex positive environments and shouldn't be pushed in this direction. It hinders rather than helps. b. sex addiction is real, just like any other addiction. It's based on releasing chemicals in the brain and just like any other chemical substance, it can create a behavior pattern based on stimulus. Don't judge a porn star based on her claimed addiction. Unless you've been there, with her, you don't know. Addiction fucking sucks...also fucking-addiction sucks. c. Why don't we focus on the women that stay in porn because they like it? The career-girls of porn, if you will. Oh, that's right, that's because there aren't more than 10, all at the top now, producing. As the saying in the valley goes, "she's just our pretty hole for today. Tomorrow we'll have another." Porn-positive is a stretch when it comes to actual "I made it out alive with no regrets." Just like any other job, only in this job, you are simply a commodity at its core, useful for a few hours at most. The focus should be more on porn-sanity instead of porn-positive. Make it something normal before you glorify it...otherwise it's just another "Pretty Woman" story. I love porn. Don't get me wrong. But I've made enough and seen enough to know better. You would too if you got out of wonderful SF and got into where all the hard money is made and shot. SF has wonderful stories of kink.com and all the other great family business models. That's not the case when it comes to all the rest of the world. And the guys that run the rest of those are FUCKING INSANE AND CRUEL, with planes, helicopters, drugs, guns, and temper tantrums like you wouldn't believe. Europe is even worse. I know you've been pushing this ideal for a while now. But it is so much worse than it is portrayed and it's getting really annoying. It's like Disney re-wrote the history of porn. No, it really isn't all candy and bubblegum. You want to find out what it's really like? Go as a porn star to the valley and do a "tryout." Then talk to the girl crying afterwards next to you and ask her how many times she's done the same thing that week. It's NOT ALL RAINBOWS. In fact, it's 95 percent not rainbows. Two things:
1. sex positive does not equal porn positive. Please make this distinction. Just because someone is into sex doesn’t mean they’re into porn and vice versa. I’m not against porn, but it isn’t a requirement for sex positive environments and shouldn’t be pushed in this direction. It hinders rather than helps.
b. sex addiction is real, just like any other addiction. It’s based on releasing chemicals in the brain and just like any other chemical substance, it can create a behavior pattern based on stimulus. Don’t judge a porn star based on her claimed addiction. Unless you’ve been there, with her, you don’t know. Addiction fucking sucks…also fucking-addiction sucks.
c. Why don’t we focus on the women that stay in porn because they like it? The career-girls of porn, if you will. Oh, that’s right, that’s because there aren’t more than 10, all at the top now, producing. As the saying in the valley goes, “she’s just our pretty hole for today. Tomorrow we’ll have another.” Porn-positive is a stretch when it comes to actual “I made it out alive with no regrets.” Just like any other job, only in this job, you are simply a commodity at its core, useful for a few hours at most. The focus should be more on porn-sanity instead of porn-positive. Make it something normal before you glorify it…otherwise it’s just another “Pretty Woman” story. I love porn. Don’t get me wrong. But I’ve made enough and seen enough to know better. You would too if you got out of wonderful SF and got into where all the hard money is made and shot. SF has wonderful stories of kink.com and all the other great family business models. That’s not the case when it comes to all the rest of the world. And the guys that run the rest of those are FUCKING INSANE AND CRUEL, with planes, helicopters, drugs, guns, and temper tantrums like you wouldn’t believe. Europe is even worse. I know you’ve been pushing this ideal for a while now. But it is so much worse than it is portrayed and it’s getting really annoying. It’s like Disney re-wrote the history of porn. No, it really isn’t all candy and bubblegum. You want to find out what it’s really like? Go as a porn star to the valley and do a “tryout.” Then talk to the girl crying afterwards next to you and ask her how many times she’s done the same thing that week. It’s NOT ALL RAINBOWS. In fact, it’s 95 percent not rainbows.

]]> By: gravyboat http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/11/from-penny-flame-to-becoming-jennie-on-her-own-terms.html/comment-page-1#comment-7220 gravyboat Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:05:53 +0000 http://www.tinynibbles.com/?p=3741#comment-7220 This doesn't sound very "sex positive" to me. http://www.shelleylubben.com/shelleys-blog/shelleylubben/06/3/2009/porn-star-penny-flame-recovering-porn-star This doesn’t sound very “sex positive” to me.

http://www.shelleylubben.com/shelleys-blog/shelleylubben/06/3/2009/porn-star-penny-flame-recovering-porn-star

]]> By: Iamcuriousblue http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/11/from-penny-flame-to-becoming-jennie-on-her-own-terms.html/comment-page-1#comment-7219 Iamcuriousblue Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:00:35 +0000 http://www.tinynibbles.com/?p=3741#comment-7219 I wasn't as obsessive fan of hers the way I am toward Justine Joli, but I definitely remember Penny Flame for her volcanic lesbian scenes. I don't mean it in a snarky way when I say that she left behind a great body of work. As for your story, I do think the whole "addiction/recovery" narrative still plays into a bit of a stereotype, in spite of Jennie's best efforts for it not to be. Plus, I consider any "sex addiction" diagnosis on the part of that certified fool Drew Pinsky to be inherently dodgy. I hope at some point she gets a chance to recover from her recovery! (A final step in the recovery process a lot of people never make.) But, in any event, I totally wish her the best with her new life, and congratulate her for making a graceful exit. Most porn stars quietly disappear (eg, <a href="http://www.tnp.sg/printfriendly/0,4139,173756,00.html" rel="nofollow">Annabel Chong</a>), some make very public denunciations (in particular, Shelly Lubben and her God Squad), but its rare to see somebody leave porn on good terms and stay public for those interested in their next act. (I suppose Zak Sabbath/Smith did this too, but he always had a well-established identity as an artist, before, during, and after porn.) I wasn’t as obsessive fan of hers the way I am toward Justine Joli, but I definitely remember Penny Flame for her volcanic lesbian scenes. I don’t mean it in a snarky way when I say that she left behind a great body of work.

As for your story, I do think the whole “addiction/recovery” narrative still plays into a bit of a stereotype, in spite of Jennie’s best efforts for it not to be. Plus, I consider any “sex addiction” diagnosis on the part of that certified fool Drew Pinsky to be inherently dodgy. I hope at some point she gets a chance to recover from her recovery! (A final step in the recovery process a lot of people never make.)

But, in any event, I totally wish her the best with her new life, and congratulate her for making a graceful exit. Most porn stars quietly disappear (eg, Annabel Chong), some make very public denunciations (in particular, Shelly Lubben and her God Squad), but its rare to see somebody leave porn on good terms and stay public for those interested in their next act. (I suppose Zak Sabbath/Smith did this too, but he always had a well-established identity as an artist, before, during, and after porn.)

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