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	<title>Comments on: Well, Stop The Fucking Presses: Tough Times In The Porn Industry</title>
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		<title>By: Sexual Freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/08/well-stop-the-fucking-presses.html/comment-page-1#comment-6715</link>
		<dc:creator>Sexual Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the music industry, they did it to themselves by being so boring and focusing on easy short term money and by having a factory mentality. Sex is a perfectly valid topic for art. It&#039;s both completely universal and completely unique to each individual. More creative forms of erotica need to be pushed to the forefront instead of the same cookie-cutter material.

There&#039;s still going to be room for people to make a living but the middle man is going to be cut out because they deserve to be cut out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the music industry, they did it to themselves by being so boring and focusing on easy short term money and by having a factory mentality. Sex is a perfectly valid topic for art. It&#8217;s both completely universal and completely unique to each individual. More creative forms of erotica need to be pushed to the forefront instead of the same cookie-cutter material.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s still going to be room for people to make a living but the middle man is going to be cut out because they deserve to be cut out.</p>
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		<title>By: Julius</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/08/well-stop-the-fucking-presses.html/comment-page-1#comment-6657</link>
		<dc:creator>Julius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bullshit. It&#039;s not about choice. 90% of the content on the tube sites is pirated commercial content, anyway, and if you look at the most popular videos on these sites, they&#039;re always commercial content. What it comes down to is that the tube sites are private in a way that commercial porn can never be -- you can always be traced through your credit card bill -- and more importantly they&#039;re free. There are no excuses for this. You get pretty much the same content that you&#039;d have to pay for, but you get it for free, and there are no repercussions. It doesn&#039;t have anything to do with sticking it to the man. It doesn&#039;t have anything to do with civil disobedience. It&#039;s just the path of least resistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullshit. It&#8217;s not about choice. 90% of the content on the tube sites is pirated commercial content, anyway, and if you look at the most popular videos on these sites, they&#8217;re always commercial content. What it comes down to is that the tube sites are private in a way that commercial porn can never be &#8212; you can always be traced through your credit card bill &#8212; and more importantly they&#8217;re free. There are no excuses for this. You get pretty much the same content that you&#8217;d have to pay for, but you get it for free, and there are no repercussions. It doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with sticking it to the man. It doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with civil disobedience. It&#8217;s just the path of least resistance.</p>
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		<title>By: bethany</title>
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		<dc:creator>bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that the porn industry should flourish in a recession, for a whole lot of reasons, but mostly dealing with the human condition&#039;s need to escape from their worries for a while.  

Using that information, it&#039;s a wonder why so many producers haven&#039;t listened to their customers, like you say.  That just seems, not only insulting to the customer, but an utterly stupid business practice.  If that&#039;s how they operate business, then they deserve to fail, especially during a time that should not be as bad for them, as the rest of the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that the porn industry should flourish in a recession, for a whole lot of reasons, but mostly dealing with the human condition&#8217;s need to escape from their worries for a while.  </p>
<p>Using that information, it&#8217;s a wonder why so many producers haven&#8217;t listened to their customers, like you say.  That just seems, not only insulting to the customer, but an utterly stupid business practice.  If that&#8217;s how they operate business, then they deserve to fail, especially during a time that should not be as bad for them, as the rest of the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/08/well-stop-the-fucking-presses.html/comment-page-1#comment-6637</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We always said that once the Internet took off, we&#039;d be OK,&quot; he added. &quot;It never crossed our minds that we&#039;d be competing with people who just give it away for free.&quot;

This is one of the best quotes, ever...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We always said that once the Internet took off, we&#8217;d be OK,&#8221; he added. &#8220;It never crossed our minds that we&#8217;d be competing with people who just give it away for free.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is one of the best quotes, ever&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cat Brother</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat Brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of several things here, in no particular order - 

Chuck D talking about music companies, how, when CD&#039;s came out, we all knew they were cheap to produce, even cheaper than cassettes, but they charged $18 for &#039;em anyway, because they could. He likened it to a guy on the corner selling M&amp;M&#039;s one at a time, for a dollar apiece. Then the internet came along, and his bag gets a hole in it. And nobody feels too bad about scooping the M&amp;M&#039;s up. 

The housing market, when it seemed like anyone could get rich, and if you weren&#039;t rich yet, you were a damn fool. 

Amateur porn? Shit, how much is amateur, still? I remember when amateur/gonzo was gonna knock traditional porn right out of the ring, and then it became full of the same crap that turned me off from mainstream porn, as the actresses (presumably) imitated mainstream stars in an effort  to get more mainstream work - phony baloney patter and moaning,  staring at the camera, the dreaded &#039;Elvis lip&#039;....
   Shit, I still have some old Ed Powers dvd&#039;s (quit laughing, this was before he assumed the height-to-width ratio of a yam, and I just kind of blanked out his poorman&#039;s Vaudeville shtick), just because the girls looked and acted like ones I&#039;d been with. Or someone&#039;s hot mom I&#039;d wanted, or a quirky girl in class I&#039;d always meant to talk to...
   
 When I heard Burning Angel was doing porn, not just stills, and holy shit, Dana DeArmond was on them, I ordered that shit so fast my computer smoked. Oof, suckered again. If she and Johanna ever make porn that bears some resemblance to how they screw off-camera, you can be sure I&#039;ll order it. But while they eyeball the camera dude and scream like dental drills, forget it. 

 Hmm, seems like I lost the thread. But I&#039;ll continue to circulate between Redtube, Pornhub, and Youporn, because it&#039;s better than what the big studios put out, with about a minute of searching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of several things here, in no particular order &#8211; </p>
<p>Chuck D talking about music companies, how, when CD&#8217;s came out, we all knew they were cheap to produce, even cheaper than cassettes, but they charged $18 for &#8216;em anyway, because they could. He likened it to a guy on the corner selling M&amp;M&#8217;s one at a time, for a dollar apiece. Then the internet came along, and his bag gets a hole in it. And nobody feels too bad about scooping the M&amp;M&#8217;s up. </p>
<p>The housing market, when it seemed like anyone could get rich, and if you weren&#8217;t rich yet, you were a damn fool. </p>
<p>Amateur porn? Shit, how much is amateur, still? I remember when amateur/gonzo was gonna knock traditional porn right out of the ring, and then it became full of the same crap that turned me off from mainstream porn, as the actresses (presumably) imitated mainstream stars in an effort  to get more mainstream work &#8211; phony baloney patter and moaning,  staring at the camera, the dreaded &#8216;Elvis lip&#8217;&#8230;.<br />
   Shit, I still have some old Ed Powers dvd&#8217;s (quit laughing, this was before he assumed the height-to-width ratio of a yam, and I just kind of blanked out his poorman&#8217;s Vaudeville shtick), just because the girls looked and acted like ones I&#8217;d been with. Or someone&#8217;s hot mom I&#8217;d wanted, or a quirky girl in class I&#8217;d always meant to talk to&#8230;</p>
<p> When I heard Burning Angel was doing porn, not just stills, and holy shit, Dana DeArmond was on them, I ordered that shit so fast my computer smoked. Oof, suckered again. If she and Johanna ever make porn that bears some resemblance to how they screw off-camera, you can be sure I&#8217;ll order it. But while they eyeball the camera dude and scream like dental drills, forget it. </p>
<p> Hmm, seems like I lost the thread. But I&#8217;ll continue to circulate between Redtube, Pornhub, and Youporn, because it&#8217;s better than what the big studios put out, with about a minute of searching.</p>
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		<title>By: ChicksonSpeedSpotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChicksonSpeedSpotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;part of the problem is that most porn customers don’t want to be heard. They want to deny that they jack off to movies. How do you serve a customer base that denies it’s your customer base?&quot;

would you want to talk to people who make movies where the actors address you, the viewer, with &quot;sick fuck&quot;? (i&#039;m quoting from Violets book here). sounds to me like a business model that takes the viewer for granted.

Go to the gay sites, the big ones, the small ones, the middle ones, and read a few of the discussions to see for yourself what gay men are saying about gay porn, amateur, pro, vanity sites, whatever. just because they are not discussing pron right in front of your nose doesnt mean they are not talkng amongst themselves. go find them there. i talk to other men about porn all the time (in chat sessions where i can have an alias). i have never filled out a customer survey. no one ever asked me to fill one out for them, because they take the customer for granted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;part of the problem is that most porn customers don’t want to be heard. They want to deny that they jack off to movies. How do you serve a customer base that denies it’s your customer base?&#8221;</p>
<p>would you want to talk to people who make movies where the actors address you, the viewer, with &#8220;sick fuck&#8221;? (i&#8217;m quoting from Violets book here). sounds to me like a business model that takes the viewer for granted.</p>
<p>Go to the gay sites, the big ones, the small ones, the middle ones, and read a few of the discussions to see for yourself what gay men are saying about gay porn, amateur, pro, vanity sites, whatever. just because they are not discussing pron right in front of your nose doesnt mean they are not talkng amongst themselves. go find them there. i talk to other men about porn all the time (in chat sessions where i can have an alias). i have never filled out a customer survey. no one ever asked me to fill one out for them, because they take the customer for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: DJTennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJTennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pay sites might not be losing so much revenue if they responded to their affiliates&#039; technical issues more promptly. Or at all.

Just saying, Kink.com....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pay sites might not be losing so much revenue if they responded to their affiliates&#8217; technical issues more promptly. Or at all.</p>
<p>Just saying, Kink.com&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: iObject</title>
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		<dc:creator>iObject</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I remember you talking about this failing business model... years ago?  I think so.  I&#039;m pretty sure those pirate radio podcasts you did had some talk about it.

What I find interesting (and totally unsurprising) about the article is that they talk to mainstream porn types but not to the people who&#039;re supposedly their mighty enemies.  Hmm.  Whatashock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I remember you talking about this failing business model&#8230; years ago?  I think so.  I&#8217;m pretty sure those pirate radio podcasts you did had some talk about it.</p>
<p>What I find interesting (and totally unsurprising) about the article is that they talk to mainstream porn types but not to the people who&#8217;re supposedly their mighty enemies.  Hmm.  Whatashock.</p>
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		<title>By: Bacchus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preach on, sister!

People are still making tons of money from porn.  Just, like, not the same people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preach on, sister!</p>
<p>People are still making tons of money from porn.  Just, like, not the same people.</p>
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		<title>By: ChicksonSpeedSpotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChicksonSpeedSpotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pornocalypse? let&#039;s have one!
you know what they say in america:
never let a good crisis go to waste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pornocalypse? let&#8217;s have one!<br />
you know what they say in america:<br />
never let a good crisis go to waste</p>
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		<title>By: Neve Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neve Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, VB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, VB.</p>
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		<title>By: stoogepie</title>
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		<dc:creator>stoogepie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just depressing.  The free sites usually suck (not in a good way), but for pirated work. If the porn industry stops producing high quality films to pirate, what&#039;s left? Most amateur video is just terrible.
 
I hear what you&#039;re saying about customer service, but part of the problem is that most porn customers don&#039;t want to be heard. They want to deny that they jack off to movies. How do you serve a customer base that denies it&#039;s your customer base?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just depressing.  The free sites usually suck (not in a good way), but for pirated work. If the porn industry stops producing high quality films to pirate, what&#8217;s left? Most amateur video is just terrible.</p>
<p>I hear what you&#8217;re saying about customer service, but part of the problem is that most porn customers don&#8217;t want to be heard. They want to deny that they jack off to movies. How do you serve a customer base that denies it&#8217;s your customer base?</p>
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