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	<title>Comments on: what Wikipedia consdiers &#8220;obscene&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/01/what-wikipedia-consdiers-obscene.html/comment-page-1#comment-4325</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Editing Wikipedia can be enormously frustrating, and most of the people who spend a lot of time doing it are the kind of anally-retentive, pedantic, obsessive types that would drive me batshit insane in the real world - but for some reason, I enjoy messing with it anyway. I think it appeals to the subversive in me, to be honest about it. When it works, it&#039;s an excellent method for undermining the existing (and in my opinion, outdated) channels of knowledge control and distribution.

Which is, now that I think about it, probably also why I&#039;m a Violet Blue fan. ;-)
(well, that and the naughty pictures, of course)

Violet, if you ever decide to dive into the Wikipedia pool, drop me a line or something (I&#039;m assuming you can access my e-mail address through this &#039;comments&#039; interface) and I&#039;d be happy to help walk you through it. If you&#039;d rather not mess with it, but you see some kind of heinously egregious error that needs to be fixed, just let me know and I&#039;ll take care of it. I&#039;ve also got your article and the &#039;violet&#039; disambiguation page on my watchlist now, so I&#039;ll know pretty quickly if anyone changes either of them.

Oh, and one other thing?
Turnip. Turnip. Tur-fucking-nip.

Because I can, damnit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Editing Wikipedia can be enormously frustrating, and most of the people who spend a lot of time doing it are the kind of anally-retentive, pedantic, obsessive types that would drive me batshit insane in the real world &#8211; but for some reason, I enjoy messing with it anyway. I think it appeals to the subversive in me, to be honest about it. When it works, it&#8217;s an excellent method for undermining the existing (and in my opinion, outdated) channels of knowledge control and distribution.</p>
<p>Which is, now that I think about it, probably also why I&#8217;m a Violet Blue fan. ;-)<br />
(well, that and the naughty pictures, of course)</p>
<p>Violet, if you ever decide to dive into the Wikipedia pool, drop me a line or something (I&#8217;m assuming you can access my e-mail address through this &#8216;comments&#8217; interface) and I&#8217;d be happy to help walk you through it. If you&#8217;d rather not mess with it, but you see some kind of heinously egregious error that needs to be fixed, just let me know and I&#8217;ll take care of it. I&#8217;ve also got your article and the &#8216;violet&#8217; disambiguation page on my watchlist now, so I&#8217;ll know pretty quickly if anyone changes either of them.</p>
<p>Oh, and one other thing?<br />
Turnip. Turnip. Tur-fucking-nip.</p>
<p>Because I can, damnit.</p>
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		<title>By: violet</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/01/what-wikipedia-consdiers-obscene.html/comment-page-1#comment-4324</link>
		<dc:creator>violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that Ken is drunk with the power of &quot;turnip&quot;. :) I love ya right back, most especially for giving me a clear understanding of Cluebot and how it works. otherwise, I&#039;d have no idea, and I really believe that the amount of vandalism on Wikipedia -- it&#039;s got to be so out of control, I don&#039;t know how people have day jobs and keep the pages correct. I only see that from my experiences with the page about me.

and just to make matters clear, this was not me; I actually do not have a Wikipedia account of any kind. this was an email I received; I redacted the IP address because, well, it&#039;s an IP address and it&#039;s not mine to show the world. so Harl, it wasn&#039;t me making these edits. honestly, I&#039;ve been meaning to set up an account and take the time out of my schedule to learn the protocol/methods/voodoo, but it kind of overwhelms me; I&#039;m truly wiki-phobic, something that&#039;s kept actually me off of other group wikis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that Ken is drunk with the power of &#8220;turnip&#8221;. :) I love ya right back, most especially for giving me a clear understanding of Cluebot and how it works. otherwise, I&#8217;d have no idea, and I really believe that the amount of vandalism on Wikipedia &#8212; it&#8217;s got to be so out of control, I don&#8217;t know how people have day jobs and keep the pages correct. I only see that from my experiences with the page about me.</p>
<p>and just to make matters clear, this was not me; I actually do not have a Wikipedia account of any kind. this was an email I received; I redacted the IP address because, well, it&#8217;s an IP address and it&#8217;s not mine to show the world. so Harl, it wasn&#8217;t me making these edits. honestly, I&#8217;ve been meaning to set up an account and take the time out of my schedule to learn the protocol/methods/voodoo, but it kind of overwhelms me; I&#8217;m truly wiki-phobic, something that&#8217;s kept actually me off of other group wikis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/01/what-wikipedia-consdiers-obscene.html/comment-page-1#comment-4323</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know I love ya Violet, but speaking as a longtime Wikipedian, I have to admit I love Cluebot too.

See, the amount of vandalism on Wikipedia is just staggering. I&#039;m not exageratting when I say 75-80% of my contribution time is spent reverting it - although I&#039;m sure that varies by editor and what they&#039;re interested in. Virtually all of the vandalism you see on Wikipedia is done by people who haven&#039;t registered an account (so they only show up as an IP address) and consists of things like replacing the entire content of an article with the word &quot;Poop&quot; repeated 5647 times.

So if Cluebot sees an unregistered user make an edit, and that edit contains words on the Top 20 vandal-buzzword list, it reverts it. 99% of the time it does exactly what it&#039;s intended to do, and saves Wikipedians like me a truly enormous amount of work. The remaining 1%, when Cluebot reverts something that wasn&#039;t vandalism, is easy to fix.

And Luna, to answer your question - Cluebot didn&#039;t revert the edit because of any percieved obscenity. It reverted the edit because it used words frequently used by vandals. If &#039;turnip&#039; was a favorite among vandals, Cluebot would revert that as well - but once again, *only* if it&#039;s done by an unregistered user.

As long as I&#039;m logged in with my Wikipedia user account, I can use the words &#039;turnip&#039; and &#039;sex&#039; in my edits as often as I like - and I&#039;m pretty much drunk with power because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I love ya Violet, but speaking as a longtime Wikipedian, I have to admit I love Cluebot too.</p>
<p>See, the amount of vandalism on Wikipedia is just staggering. I&#8217;m not exageratting when I say 75-80% of my contribution time is spent reverting it &#8211; although I&#8217;m sure that varies by editor and what they&#8217;re interested in. Virtually all of the vandalism you see on Wikipedia is done by people who haven&#8217;t registered an account (so they only show up as an IP address) and consists of things like replacing the entire content of an article with the word &#8220;Poop&#8221; repeated 5647 times.</p>
<p>So if Cluebot sees an unregistered user make an edit, and that edit contains words on the Top 20 vandal-buzzword list, it reverts it. 99% of the time it does exactly what it&#8217;s intended to do, and saves Wikipedians like me a truly enormous amount of work. The remaining 1%, when Cluebot reverts something that wasn&#8217;t vandalism, is easy to fix.</p>
<p>And Luna, to answer your question &#8211; Cluebot didn&#8217;t revert the edit because of any percieved obscenity. It reverted the edit because it used words frequently used by vandals. If &#8216;turnip&#8217; was a favorite among vandals, Cluebot would revert that as well &#8211; but once again, *only* if it&#8217;s done by an unregistered user.</p>
<p>As long as I&#8217;m logged in with my Wikipedia user account, I can use the words &#8216;turnip&#8217; and &#8216;sex&#8217; in my edits as often as I like &#8211; and I&#8217;m pretty much drunk with power because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: luna</title>
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		<dc:creator>luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you directing your comments to? The person who edited her page or Violet herself?

And it wasn&#039;t just called vandalism. It was called obscenity. Would the words &quot;turnip&quot;, &quot;keyboard&quot;, and &quot;afghanistan&quot; be considered obscene as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you directing your comments to? The person who edited her page or Violet herself?</p>
<p>And it wasn&#8217;t just called vandalism. It was called obscenity. Would the words &#8220;turnip&#8221;, &#8220;keyboard&#8221;, and &#8220;afghanistan&#8221; be considered obscene as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Harl Delos</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/01/what-wikipedia-consdiers-obscene.html/comment-page-1#comment-4320</link>
		<dc:creator>Harl Delos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have plenty of issues with Wikipedia, but this isn&#039;t one of them. You made your edits anonymously, instead of signing on to make the edits. That raises a flag suggesting the possibility of vandalism. 

Then you added the word &quot;sex&quot; which would reasonably be in a list of words which might be used in vandalism. 

It&#039;s quite possible to use the word &quot;turnip&quot; or &quot;keyboard&quot; or &quot;afghanistan&quot; in vandalizing a page, but it&#039;s not as much fun as the word &quot;sex&quot; might be. 

And it IS only a bot. The instructions at Wikipedia tell you that if your edit is proper, to take down the warning, and repeat your edit. 

BTW, you tweeted earlier tonight that you were downright chilly because of your choice of garments. I hope you didn&#039;t catch cold - and that your escort was properly appreciative of your low-cut attire. It was thoughtful of you to honor him so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have plenty of issues with Wikipedia, but this isn&#8217;t one of them. You made your edits anonymously, instead of signing on to make the edits. That raises a flag suggesting the possibility of vandalism. </p>
<p>Then you added the word &#8220;sex&#8221; which would reasonably be in a list of words which might be used in vandalism. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite possible to use the word &#8220;turnip&#8221; or &#8220;keyboard&#8221; or &#8220;afghanistan&#8221; in vandalizing a page, but it&#8217;s not as much fun as the word &#8220;sex&#8221; might be. </p>
<p>And it IS only a bot. The instructions at Wikipedia tell you that if your edit is proper, to take down the warning, and repeat your edit. </p>
<p>BTW, you tweeted earlier tonight that you were downright chilly because of your choice of garments. I hope you didn&#8217;t catch cold &#8211; and that your escort was properly appreciative of your low-cut attire. It was thoughtful of you to honor him so.</p>
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		<title>By: luna</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2009/01/what-wikipedia-consdiers-obscene.html/comment-page-1#comment-4319</link>
		<dc:creator>luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It says &quot;Violet Blue, an American writer, podcaster, blogger, editor, sex educator, and sex columnist.&quot; for now, but they&#039;ve got the page set up to automatically revert changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It says &#8220;Violet Blue, an American writer, podcaster, blogger, editor, sex educator, and sex columnist.&#8221; for now, but they&#8217;ve got the page set up to automatically revert changes.</p>
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