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	<title>Comments on: the abstinence-only extended dance remix: DJ Palin</title>
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	<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/09/the-abstinence-only-extended-dance-remix-dj-palin.html</link>
	<description>Journalist and author Violet Blue&#039;s site for sex and tech culture, accurate sex information, erotica and more.</description>
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		<title>By: violet</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/09/the-abstinence-only-extended-dance-remix-dj-palin.html/comment-page-1#comment-2783</link>
		<dc:creator>violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg libby, that&#039;s great. who should I interview from the &#039;other&#039; side? also I would, if asked, face off with anyone on TV, too ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg libby, that&#8217;s great. who should I interview from the &#8216;other&#8217; side? also I would, if asked, face off with anyone on TV, too ;)</p>
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		<title>By: libby</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/09/the-abstinence-only-extended-dance-remix-dj-palin.html/comment-page-1#comment-2709</link>
		<dc:creator>libby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is outta the blue (literally), but it would be pretty great to read/see a vb interview with a hardcore abstinence-only spokesperson - not a talking head, but someone who&#039;s up for offering statistics, information and thoughtful arguments that might shed some light on why portions of this country spend a whole lotta time and money on faulty sex-ed. 

violet, please please please consider interviewing the other side of this issue, especially on your blog, where you&#039;re mostly preaching to the choir. i live in NORTH CAROLINA, for goddamn&#039;s sake, and most of the young kids i know are getting a healthy dose of useful and non-xtian and very human sex education. 

know thine enema :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is outta the blue (literally), but it would be pretty great to read/see a vb interview with a hardcore abstinence-only spokesperson &#8211; not a talking head, but someone who&#8217;s up for offering statistics, information and thoughtful arguments that might shed some light on why portions of this country spend a whole lotta time and money on faulty sex-ed. </p>
<p>violet, please please please consider interviewing the other side of this issue, especially on your blog, where you&#8217;re mostly preaching to the choir. i live in NORTH CAROLINA, for goddamn&#8217;s sake, and most of the young kids i know are getting a healthy dose of useful and non-xtian and very human sex education. </p>
<p>know thine enema :).</p>
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		<title>By: killyosaur</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/09/the-abstinence-only-extended-dance-remix-dj-palin.html/comment-page-1#comment-2704</link>
		<dc:creator>killyosaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abstinence only programs are a total waste of time, I still find it funny that Sarah Palin fully supports that load of crap despite the fact that her own daughter is now an unwed (at least for the time being) teenage mother-to-be.  Seems like that would tip her off.  Granted I&#039;m not really one to talk, for a variety of reasons, most of what I know of sex I gleaned from podcasts, blogs like this one, and books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abstinence only programs are a total waste of time, I still find it funny that Sarah Palin fully supports that load of crap despite the fact that her own daughter is now an unwed (at least for the time being) teenage mother-to-be.  Seems like that would tip her off.  Granted I&#8217;m not really one to talk, for a variety of reasons, most of what I know of sex I gleaned from podcasts, blogs like this one, and books.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyVini</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/09/the-abstinence-only-extended-dance-remix-dj-palin.html/comment-page-1#comment-2703</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyVini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parochial school sex ed classes were more factual and practical than the Federal abstinance juggernaut described in the article linked above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parochial school sex ed classes were more factual and practical than the Federal abstinance juggernaut described in the article linked above.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyVini</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/09/the-abstinence-only-extended-dance-remix-dj-palin.html/comment-page-1#comment-2702</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyVini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me say also, whatever your view on the place or appropriateness of the teaching of abstinance and monogamy in sex ed, can we all agree that whatever effectiveness, real or imaginary, that it might have will simply not exist when taught outside of a religious or ethical system that supports such a choice? 

To put it more plainly, teaching Christian, Orthodox Jewish, Muslim, or other moral concepts in such a deracinated fashion outside of the ethical systems of which they are a part virtually guarantees they will fail if they weren&#039;t already destined to. 

The only kind of sex education that can possibly succeed in a (properly) value-free public educational environment is biological, mechanistic, practical instruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me say also, whatever your view on the place or appropriateness of the teaching of abstinance and monogamy in sex ed, can we all agree that whatever effectiveness, real or imaginary, that it might have will simply not exist when taught outside of a religious or ethical system that supports such a choice? </p>
<p>To put it more plainly, teaching Christian, Orthodox Jewish, Muslim, or other moral concepts in such a deracinated fashion outside of the ethical systems of which they are a part virtually guarantees they will fail if they weren&#8217;t already destined to. </p>
<p>The only kind of sex education that can possibly succeed in a (properly) value-free public educational environment is biological, mechanistic, practical instruction.</p>
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		<title>By: the Beau</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/09/the-abstinence-only-extended-dance-remix-dj-palin.html/comment-page-1#comment-2692</link>
		<dc:creator>the Beau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and link!  Congrats to Wendy on taking charge at such a young age.  It&#039;s unfortunate that more teens aren&#039;t as proactive as she was.

I&#039;m a new reader, but I love the blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and link!  Congrats to Wendy on taking charge at such a young age.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that more teens aren&#8217;t as proactive as she was.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a new reader, but I love the blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parents love to use the old line &quot;If someone told you to jump off a cliff - would you do it?&quot;

Well mom &amp; dad... if someone told you to stop having sex - would you do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents love to use the old line &#8220;If someone told you to jump off a cliff &#8211; would you do it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well mom &amp; dad&#8230; if someone told you to stop having sex &#8211; would you do it?</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Blackheart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Blackheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA! Abstinence only education sucks.  I went to schools that taught abstinence only programs, and I have parents who refuse to accept that humans are in anyway sexual beings.

I can&#039;t say that a very small part of that affected who I am now.  School and my parents didn&#039;t teach me shit about sex. While my peers turned to experimentation, I turned to the public library, and taught myself some shit. I read more books on human sexuality between the ages of 12-17 than I do now. 

I knew what fisting was when I was 16. I knew what sounding was when I was 15. I could explain the male and female reproductive organs, what they did, and where they were by rote. 

Thankfully, for me being told I couldn&#039;t or wasn&#039;t supposed to know about something made me run out and go bloody well learn about it. I also was lucky enough to have an awesome aunt who was a nurse to talk to about the technical things. (My parents discomfort extended to ignorance as well - my mother told me a tampon could get lost inside my body, and told me that I didn&#039;t need to see a gynecologist until I got married. (Which, by the way, led me to three or four years of menstrual discomfort while I was dealing with an undiagnosed ovarian disorder. At 12 even *I* knew that I wasn&#039;t supposed to have my first period for FOUR WEEKS. But no, I didn&#039;t need a doctor...) )

As you can see, abstinence education along with parental idiocy has led me to be a little bitter towards the authority and parental figures who I had trusted to help educate me.

And, it didn&#039;t work. Compare the case study of me and one of my sisters. She&#039;s 21, I&#039;m 24, and we both were offered the same sex education growing up.

She lost her virginity uncomfortably and probably not all that willingly at 14.
I lost my virginity at 19, and while the experience wasn&#039;t pleasant, it was because the guy was a douche, not because I wasn&#039;t physically or emotionally prepared, as I was. 

I also masturbated in the time I wasn&#039;t having sex so that I got to know my body and what I liked pretty well, and had orgasms.
My sister didn&#039;t even know what an orgasm felt like, had to ask me to explain, and then, finally, I bought her a vibrator. (I also bought &#039;em for my female cousins.)

She thought blue balls was real, and was talked in to giving quite a bit of unnecessary head. This went on until she was about 18, when a boyfriend clued her in.
I didn&#039;t give any head that I didn&#039;t want to give. When I blew someone, it was because I felt like it, I offered (or they asked) and we both were in on it.

When I became sexually active, I started going to the obgyn for a full STD panel and pap every six months, until I fell into monogamy and bad habits, and went just the once.
I don&#039;t know her obgyn habits, but I&#039;m pretty sure that until recently, they were not as good as they could be for a sexually active girl.

Just sayin&#039;.

End rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA! Abstinence only education sucks.  I went to schools that taught abstinence only programs, and I have parents who refuse to accept that humans are in anyway sexual beings.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say that a very small part of that affected who I am now.  School and my parents didn&#8217;t teach me shit about sex. While my peers turned to experimentation, I turned to the public library, and taught myself some shit. I read more books on human sexuality between the ages of 12-17 than I do now. </p>
<p>I knew what fisting was when I was 16. I knew what sounding was when I was 15. I could explain the male and female reproductive organs, what they did, and where they were by rote. </p>
<p>Thankfully, for me being told I couldn&#8217;t or wasn&#8217;t supposed to know about something made me run out and go bloody well learn about it. I also was lucky enough to have an awesome aunt who was a nurse to talk to about the technical things. (My parents discomfort extended to ignorance as well &#8211; my mother told me a tampon could get lost inside my body, and told me that I didn&#8217;t need to see a gynecologist until I got married. (Which, by the way, led me to three or four years of menstrual discomfort while I was dealing with an undiagnosed ovarian disorder. At 12 even *I* knew that I wasn&#8217;t supposed to have my first period for FOUR WEEKS. But no, I didn&#8217;t need a doctor&#8230;) )</p>
<p>As you can see, abstinence education along with parental idiocy has led me to be a little bitter towards the authority and parental figures who I had trusted to help educate me.</p>
<p>And, it didn&#8217;t work. Compare the case study of me and one of my sisters. She&#8217;s 21, I&#8217;m 24, and we both were offered the same sex education growing up.</p>
<p>She lost her virginity uncomfortably and probably not all that willingly at 14.<br />
I lost my virginity at 19, and while the experience wasn&#8217;t pleasant, it was because the guy was a douche, not because I wasn&#8217;t physically or emotionally prepared, as I was. </p>
<p>I also masturbated in the time I wasn&#8217;t having sex so that I got to know my body and what I liked pretty well, and had orgasms.<br />
My sister didn&#8217;t even know what an orgasm felt like, had to ask me to explain, and then, finally, I bought her a vibrator. (I also bought &#8216;em for my female cousins.)</p>
<p>She thought blue balls was real, and was talked in to giving quite a bit of unnecessary head. This went on until she was about 18, when a boyfriend clued her in.<br />
I didn&#8217;t give any head that I didn&#8217;t want to give. When I blew someone, it was because I felt like it, I offered (or they asked) and we both were in on it.</p>
<p>When I became sexually active, I started going to the obgyn for a full STD panel and pap every six months, until I fell into monogamy and bad habits, and went just the once.<br />
I don&#8217;t know her obgyn habits, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that until recently, they were not as good as they could be for a sexually active girl.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
<p>End rant.</p>
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