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		<title>By: Granite Care</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-4633</link>
		<dc:creator>Granite Care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see you posting on this topic, I need to book mark this site. Keep up the good work.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-4315</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the excellent post. I agree 100%. Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the excellent post. I agree 100%. Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Technogirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technogirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was &quot;disappeared&quot; from BlingBling last March after having been a reader for several years.  You see I made the mistake of actually posting something that disagreed with Ms. Hayden&#039;s opinion.   I had the temerity to question one of Ms. Hayden&#039;s posts saying that Mr.Doctorow hadn&#039;t changed any of his opinions about Microsoft just because M$ was now an advertiser at the site 

I politely stated my opinion that it would not surprise me if someone would tone down their anti-M$ rhetoric in exchange for tens of thousands of advertising dollars.  I also pointed out how Mr. Doctorow hadn&#039;t made a single anti-M$ rant since they took on the advertising account - which was quite uncharacteristic of him.

My post was mutilated and then deleted.  My posting privileges on the site were revoked.  Several of Ms. Hayden&#039;s blogging minions then came after me with rather personal (and quite unfactual ) attacks which I could no longer defend myself against.  they were left up on the site.

Well frack that - I moved on and got my nerdy-news elsewhere.  And I waited ..

Bwa Ha Ha ha ha!
Payback&#039;s a bitch.
And they did it to themselves which is even sweeter (and entirely predictable).


You go violet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was &#8220;disappeared&#8221; from BlingBling last March after having been a reader for several years.  You see I made the mistake of actually posting something that disagreed with Ms. Hayden&#8217;s opinion.   I had the temerity to question one of Ms. Hayden&#8217;s posts saying that Mr.Doctorow hadn&#8217;t changed any of his opinions about Microsoft just because M$ was now an advertiser at the site </p>
<p>I politely stated my opinion that it would not surprise me if someone would tone down their anti-M$ rhetoric in exchange for tens of thousands of advertising dollars.  I also pointed out how Mr. Doctorow hadn&#8217;t made a single anti-M$ rant since they took on the advertising account &#8211; which was quite uncharacteristic of him.</p>
<p>My post was mutilated and then deleted.  My posting privileges on the site were revoked.  Several of Ms. Hayden&#8217;s blogging minions then came after me with rather personal (and quite unfactual ) attacks which I could no longer defend myself against.  they were left up on the site.</p>
<p>Well frack that &#8211; I moved on and got my nerdy-news elsewhere.  And I waited ..</p>
<p>Bwa Ha Ha ha ha!<br />
Payback&#8217;s a bitch.<br />
And they did it to themselves which is even sweeter (and entirely predictable).</p>
<p>You go violet!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s very sad. Your articles on BoingBoing helped make me feel more comfortable thinking about sex and sexuality. Happily, your site&#039;s still up, and I&#039;ve been visiting your site more often than BoingBoing for about a year now. I have to agree what many of the other posters have said, the lack of communication on this issue is rather disrespectful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very sad. Your articles on BoingBoing helped make me feel more comfortable thinking about sex and sexuality. Happily, your site&#8217;s still up, and I&#8217;ve been visiting your site more often than BoingBoing for about a year now. I have to agree what many of the other posters have said, the lack of communication on this issue is rather disrespectful.</p>
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		<title>By: violet</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1798</link>
		<dc:creator>violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wonderful vocabulary, spot-on post: http://michel.evanchik.net/2008/07/07/the-case-of-the-missing-violet-blue/

also, today: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/business/media/07link.html?pagewanted=1&amp;ref=business

poof! I was disemconsonanted after a thorough disemvoweling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonderful vocabulary, spot-on post: <a href="http://michel.evanchik.net/2008/07/07/the-case-of-the-missing-violet-blue/" rel="nofollow">http://michel.evanchik.net/2008/07/07/the-case-of-the-missing-violet-blue/</a></p>
<p>also, today: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/business/media/07link.html?pagewanted=1&#038;ref=business" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/business/media/07link.html?pagewanted=1&#038;ref=business</a></p>
<p>poof! I was disemconsonanted after a thorough disemvoweling.</p>
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		<title>By: violet</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1775</link>
		<dc:creator>violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Globe and Mail weighs in on the coverup, interesting perspective: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080704.wgtfridayreads0704/BNStory/Technology/home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Globe and Mail weighs in on the coverup, interesting perspective: <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080704.wgtfridayreads0704/BNStory/Technology/home" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080704.wgtfridayreads0704/BNStory/Technology/home</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Lacina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin Lacina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just dropped this on BB.  We&#039;ll see how long it lasts (none of my other comments ever have).  But I think it goes a long way to explain the psychology of why this has become such a monster.


The fact that many BB supporters at the moment (and BB themselves) keep feeling the need to bring up that this is a &quot;PERSONAL&quot; project/blog/whatever is distressing to me.

It&#039;s only personal in that, it&#039;s owned by them.  Which, great, do whatever you want with it.  But don&#039;t forget, the INSTANT you release something to the public, it is no longer your own.

Any writer worth their salt knows this.  Any artist, any journalist, anyone who labors (even if only for love) and shares their work PUBLICLY must understand this.  Or they better never step into the public realm.

Yeah, it was yours, until you hit submit.  And then it became the product of the world.  Which is odd because I thought that BB understood this with the constant ranting against Copyright.  Yes, I know they are different, but conceptually the BB argument and mine are intertwined.

BB needs to understand that, this may have started as a personal thing, but it was only personal until the first person got their hands on the original stapled copy.  And once it got online, it became even more personal.

And so, when they hide behind the &quot;It&#039;s our site, we can do what we want&quot; defense, it smacks of naivety and makes them lose credibility.  

Add to that the circular and vague explanation of their actions and it just widens the gulf between them and credibility.  They&#039;re not journalists.  They&#039;re bloggers.  But they still have responsibilities.  And the handling of this shows that they either don&#039;t understand, or care for these responsibilities.

And that&#039;s sad, because unfortunately, BB is one of the things that sets the standards for how the web and the people using it should act and behave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just dropped this on BB.  We&#8217;ll see how long it lasts (none of my other comments ever have).  But I think it goes a long way to explain the psychology of why this has become such a monster.</p>
<p>The fact that many BB supporters at the moment (and BB themselves) keep feeling the need to bring up that this is a &#8220;PERSONAL&#8221; project/blog/whatever is distressing to me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only personal in that, it&#8217;s owned by them.  Which, great, do whatever you want with it.  But don&#8217;t forget, the INSTANT you release something to the public, it is no longer your own.</p>
<p>Any writer worth their salt knows this.  Any artist, any journalist, anyone who labors (even if only for love) and shares their work PUBLICLY must understand this.  Or they better never step into the public realm.</p>
<p>Yeah, it was yours, until you hit submit.  And then it became the product of the world.  Which is odd because I thought that BB understood this with the constant ranting against Copyright.  Yes, I know they are different, but conceptually the BB argument and mine are intertwined.</p>
<p>BB needs to understand that, this may have started as a personal thing, but it was only personal until the first person got their hands on the original stapled copy.  And once it got online, it became even more personal.</p>
<p>And so, when they hide behind the &#8220;It&#8217;s our site, we can do what we want&#8221; defense, it smacks of naivety and makes them lose credibility.  </p>
<p>Add to that the circular and vague explanation of their actions and it just widens the gulf between them and credibility.  They&#8217;re not journalists.  They&#8217;re bloggers.  But they still have responsibilities.  And the handling of this shows that they either don&#8217;t understand, or care for these responsibilities.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s sad, because unfortunately, BB is one of the things that sets the standards for how the web and the people using it should act and behave.</p>
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		<title>By: violet</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1768</link>
		<dc:creator>violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>answered my own question: here&#039;s one of Pesco&#039;s that was deleted: http://web.archive.org/web/0/boingboing.net/2005/05/27/transparent_tape_scu.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>answered my own question: here&#8217;s one of Pesco&#8217;s that was deleted: <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/0/boingboing.net/2005/05/27/transparent_tape_scu.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/0/boingboing.net/2005/05/27/transparent_tape_scu.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: violet</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1767</link>
		<dc:creator>violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow -- great post, and this comment floored me:
http://www.zenarchery.com/2008/07/01/that-violet-blue-thing-boing-boing/#comment-2384</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow &#8212; great post, and this comment floored me:<br />
<a href="http://www.zenarchery.com/2008/07/01/that-violet-blue-thing-boing-boing/#comment-2384" rel="nofollow">http://www.zenarchery.com/2008/07/01/that-violet-blue-thing-boing-boing/#comment-2384</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the same as &quot;slut-shunning*&quot; back in those long ago school days. I didn&#039;t go along with it then, I&#039;m not going along with it now.

*Goes like this:
Someone to someone else: &quot;Put out! Put out! Put out!&quot;
Someone else: :puts out:
Someone to everyone else: &quot;OMG! Someone else is so gross! They PUT OUT!&quot;
Everyone else: &quot;EWWWWW! Stay away from someone else!&quot;
Someone else, wondering: ...wtf...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the same as &#8220;slut-shunning*&#8221; back in those long ago school days. I didn&#8217;t go along with it then, I&#8217;m not going along with it now.</p>
<p>*Goes like this:<br />
Someone to someone else: &#8220;Put out! Put out! Put out!&#8221;<br />
Someone else: :puts out:<br />
Someone to everyone else: &#8220;OMG! Someone else is so gross! They PUT OUT!&#8221;<br />
Everyone else: &#8220;EWWWWW! Stay away from someone else!&#8221;<br />
Someone else, wondering: &#8230;wtf&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Bacchus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susannah has deleted &lt;b&gt;several entire blogs&lt;/b&gt; in the years I&#039;ve been sex blogging, and when she does it, she never leaves behind so much as an &quot;I&#039;m outta here.&quot;  My theory is that from time to time, her discomfort with being a &quot;sex blogger&quot; or (this time) a &quot;sex blogger&quot; overwhelms her ability to cope with it.

Judging by one of the linked posts above, it looks like the most recent incarnation of The Reverse Cowgirl may be disappearing down the memory hole one day soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susannah has deleted <b>several entire blogs</b> in the years I&#8217;ve been sex blogging, and when she does it, she never leaves behind so much as an &#8220;I&#8217;m outta here.&#8221;  My theory is that from time to time, her discomfort with being a &#8220;sex blogger&#8221; or (this time) a &#8220;sex blogger&#8221; overwhelms her ability to cope with it.</p>
<p>Judging by one of the linked posts above, it looks like the most recent incarnation of The Reverse Cowgirl may be disappearing down the memory hole one day soon.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is pretty neat, you can see the missing posts here -- http://www.violetbluevioletblue.net/

via Digg: http://digg.com/celebrity/The_Violet_Blue_posts_that_were_unpublished_by_BoingBoing

it has me wondering, now that we know it was Xeni who deleted the posts, if any other authors&#039; posts were removed in the purge.

and thanks everyone for the support and kind words. not too many of those about me going around lately. I&#039;m making a point not to step into any of the allegations and character assassinations stuff. let me just say that insofar as &quot;romance&quot; goes, I was the pursued, not the pursuer. a lot of untrue things are being said about me, but it&#039;s interesting to see who&#039;s &quot;teaming up&quot; to vet their grievances with me or my work, and it&#039;s certainly agitated my stalkers, who have been eagerly jumping in the fray. I am going to have a very interesting book to write from all of this. also, @ MichaelK -- a close friend made a nickname for her a while back. he calls her The Obtuse Cowpat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is pretty neat, you can see the missing posts here &#8212; <a href="http://www.violetbluevioletblue.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.violetbluevioletblue.net/</a></p>
<p>via Digg: <a href="http://digg.com/celebrity/The_Violet_Blue_posts_that_were_unpublished_by_BoingBoing" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/celebrity/The_Violet_Blue_posts_that_were_unpublished_by_BoingBoing</a></p>
<p>it has me wondering, now that we know it was Xeni who deleted the posts, if any other authors&#8217; posts were removed in the purge.</p>
<p>and thanks everyone for the support and kind words. not too many of those about me going around lately. I&#8217;m making a point not to step into any of the allegations and character assassinations stuff. let me just say that insofar as &#8220;romance&#8221; goes, I was the pursued, not the pursuer. a lot of untrue things are being said about me, but it&#8217;s interesting to see who&#8217;s &#8220;teaming up&#8221; to vet their grievances with me or my work, and it&#8217;s certainly agitated my stalkers, who have been eagerly jumping in the fray. I am going to have a very interesting book to write from all of this. also, @ MichaelK &#8212; a close friend made a nickname for her a while back. he calls her The Obtuse Cowpat.</p>
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		<title>By: quixote23</title>
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		<dc:creator>quixote23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night I added my own voice to the 1300+ comments on the Boing Boing thread.  As someone who has been reading Boing Boing for almost a decade, and been a fan of Mark Frauenfelder&#039;s work in Mondo 2000 and The Happy Mutant&#039;s Handbook prior to that, I wanted to express my considered opinion on the matter, and that opinion was that when you have as much cultural sway as Boing Boing does, &quot;unpublishing&quot; a contributor&#039;s entire body of work from your website and then not coming clean on the reasons behind it veers dangerously close to a loss of integrity.  I mentioned my disappointment in Boing Boing and that this was the first time I&#039;ve ever had doubts about their oft self-vaunted commitment to &quot;transparency&quot; and &quot;full disclosure&quot;.  I spent over an hour composing my comment, attempting to be fair to both parties involved, and trying to weigh in diplomatically while still making my disappointment known.

This morning when I woke up, my comment had been deleted.  The comment immediately prior to it, as well as the one posted right after it, were still there.  

I have no idea what it was that I may have said, what toes I may have stepped on, when I clicked that submit button last night.  I&#039;m a reasonable and open-minded person, not a troll, and instead of reacting emotionally as so many other commenters had, I was simply asking for more information before making up my mind on the matter.  Clearly I said something the bb editors felt was out of line and so instead of responding to it, they simply erased it.  And that was pretty eye-opening.

If Xeni would just pony up and clarify her rationale behind the move, I would be more than willing to consider it.  But instead, all I&#039;ve seen are vague inferences to Violet&#039;s character as a person, strident claims that the bb editors are fully within their rights to do anything they want on the site without having to explain it to their readership, and self-righteous bullshit about how baffled they are that this has turned into such a big issue.  bb has every right to self-edit, but they do NOT have a right to take an action like this and then act like wide-eyed naifs about the response.  It&#039;s insulting to the intelligence of the readers.

And for that reason, I&#039;m taking a break from Boing Boing right now.  It was a poor and foolish decision and I&#039;m coming to realise that this may be the way they have chosen to approach the way they do business.  For all their up-in-arms declarations of the rights of consumers and the common folk, they&#039;re acting an awful lot like those corporate entities and organisations who refuse to submit to accountability to their core market.  They have a certain journalistic responsibility which they have no problem holding others to - traditional and blog journalists alike - but which they apparently consider themselves exempt from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I added my own voice to the 1300+ comments on the Boing Boing thread.  As someone who has been reading Boing Boing for almost a decade, and been a fan of Mark Frauenfelder&#8217;s work in Mondo 2000 and The Happy Mutant&#8217;s Handbook prior to that, I wanted to express my considered opinion on the matter, and that opinion was that when you have as much cultural sway as Boing Boing does, &#8220;unpublishing&#8221; a contributor&#8217;s entire body of work from your website and then not coming clean on the reasons behind it veers dangerously close to a loss of integrity.  I mentioned my disappointment in Boing Boing and that this was the first time I&#8217;ve ever had doubts about their oft self-vaunted commitment to &#8220;transparency&#8221; and &#8220;full disclosure&#8221;.  I spent over an hour composing my comment, attempting to be fair to both parties involved, and trying to weigh in diplomatically while still making my disappointment known.</p>
<p>This morning when I woke up, my comment had been deleted.  The comment immediately prior to it, as well as the one posted right after it, were still there.  </p>
<p>I have no idea what it was that I may have said, what toes I may have stepped on, when I clicked that submit button last night.  I&#8217;m a reasonable and open-minded person, not a troll, and instead of reacting emotionally as so many other commenters had, I was simply asking for more information before making up my mind on the matter.  Clearly I said something the bb editors felt was out of line and so instead of responding to it, they simply erased it.  And that was pretty eye-opening.</p>
<p>If Xeni would just pony up and clarify her rationale behind the move, I would be more than willing to consider it.  But instead, all I&#8217;ve seen are vague inferences to Violet&#8217;s character as a person, strident claims that the bb editors are fully within their rights to do anything they want on the site without having to explain it to their readership, and self-righteous bullshit about how baffled they are that this has turned into such a big issue.  bb has every right to self-edit, but they do NOT have a right to take an action like this and then act like wide-eyed naifs about the response.  It&#8217;s insulting to the intelligence of the readers.</p>
<p>And for that reason, I&#8217;m taking a break from Boing Boing right now.  It was a poor and foolish decision and I&#8217;m coming to realise that this may be the way they have chosen to approach the way they do business.  For all their up-in-arms declarations of the rights of consumers and the common folk, they&#8217;re acting an awful lot like those corporate entities and organisations who refuse to submit to accountability to their core market.  They have a certain journalistic responsibility which they have no problem holding others to &#8211; traditional and blog journalists alike &#8211; but which they apparently consider themselves exempt from.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Lacina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin Lacina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MichaelK - I saw that post.  It made me giggle.  Mostly because, the whole time she&#039;s inside bitching about &quot;hacks&quot; she&#039;s not out LIVING IT ZOMG!  And what was with the token &quot;just because&quot; photo.  Distraction from her yawn-inducing, pointless, rant about writing and what makes a real writer?  


What really gets me about this whole thing and it&#039;s constant unfolding, is that, Boing Boing went and did their silly little interviews to TELL THE TRUE STORY...and of course, said absolutely nothing new.  And ALL of this &quot;shitstorm&quot; could have been avoided if they were just like &quot;Yo, we didn&#039;t like X.  We did Y.  And you know, maybe we could have avoided Z.  But we just felt right about X and Y.&quot;  

And wtf is up with their moderators.  Damn.  Talk about psychotic.  BB needs some stelazine in the water stat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MichaelK &#8211; I saw that post.  It made me giggle.  Mostly because, the whole time she&#8217;s inside bitching about &#8220;hacks&#8221; she&#8217;s not out LIVING IT ZOMG!  And what was with the token &#8220;just because&#8221; photo.  Distraction from her yawn-inducing, pointless, rant about writing and what makes a real writer?  </p>
<p>What really gets me about this whole thing and it&#8217;s constant unfolding, is that, Boing Boing went and did their silly little interviews to TELL THE TRUE STORY&#8230;and of course, said absolutely nothing new.  And ALL of this &#8220;shitstorm&#8221; could have been avoided if they were just like &#8220;Yo, we didn&#8217;t like X.  We did Y.  And you know, maybe we could have avoided Z.  But we just felt right about X and Y.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And wtf is up with their moderators.  Damn.  Talk about psychotic.  BB needs some stelazine in the water stat!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Lyke</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1759</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Violet, I just wanted to say &quot;thank you for taking the high road&quot;. For whatever reason, this little soap opera has sucked me in, and I&#039;ve been poking around a bit and trying to figure out what happened.  It&#039;s plain in all of this that you&#039;re willing to let your public historical record speak for itself, all of your posts mentioning BoingBoing and its participants are intact, and you haven&#039;t been making unsubstantiated or ad-hominem attacks.

Or making links in my archives go mysteriously 404.

My only participation with any of the participants in this spat is to link to them occasionally, I don&#039;t really have a horse in this race except that I&#039;m more likely to link to people I feel are worthy of promotion, so my stakes aren&#039;t that high, but I&#039;ve formed some impressions based on how people are acting and reacting, and your reactions do you credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Violet, I just wanted to say &#8220;thank you for taking the high road&#8221;. For whatever reason, this little soap opera has sucked me in, and I&#8217;ve been poking around a bit and trying to figure out what happened.  It&#8217;s plain in all of this that you&#8217;re willing to let your public historical record speak for itself, all of your posts mentioning BoingBoing and its participants are intact, and you haven&#8217;t been making unsubstantiated or ad-hominem attacks.</p>
<p>Or making links in my archives go mysteriously 404.</p>
<p>My only participation with any of the participants in this spat is to link to them occasionally, I don&#8217;t really have a horse in this race except that I&#8217;m more likely to link to people I feel are worthy of promotion, so my stakes aren&#8217;t that high, but I&#8217;ve formed some impressions based on how people are acting and reacting, and your reactions do you credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Ess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Ess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The too-vague-to-contradict character assassination shit they&#039;re trying to pull is just foul smelling. It&#039;s probably a good thing they&#039;re acting this way though;If they weren&#039;t trying so hard to get their readers to think of you as &#039;somehow&#039; sinister without giving any specific reasons, I might have assumed that you must have done &lt;I&gt;something&lt;/I&gt;. I thank them for keeping me from making any stupid assumptions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The too-vague-to-contradict character assassination shit they&#8217;re trying to pull is just foul smelling. It&#8217;s probably a good thing they&#8217;re acting this way though;If they weren&#8217;t trying so hard to get their readers to think of you as &#8216;somehow&#8217; sinister without giving any specific reasons, I might have assumed that you must have done <i>something</i>. I thank them for keeping me from making any stupid assumptions</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelK</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1750</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://reversecowgirlblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/quote-of-day-xeni-jardin.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;So much&lt;/a&gt; for Cowgirl&#039;s &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://reversecowgirlblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/all-im-gonna-say.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;all she&#039;s gonna say.&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

With bonus use of Coop&#039;s &quot;just because&quot; photo. Good grief.

I can&#039;t help but wonder if it&#039;s sincere or fear of getting rolled off the site themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://reversecowgirlblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/quote-of-day-xeni-jardin.html" rel="nofollow">So much</a> for Cowgirl&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://reversecowgirlblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/all-im-gonna-say.html" rel="nofollow">all she&#8217;s gonna say.</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>With bonus use of Coop&#8217;s &#8220;just because&#8221; photo. Good grief.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder if it&#8217;s sincere or fear of getting rolled off the site themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Tramp</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1740</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Tramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love internet drama, but it sounds like there are some strange personal things going on here and hurt feelings, and that bums me out.  Also, the misogyny directed against you in the Boing Boing comments is completely revolting.  Maybe you&#039;re obnoxious IRL -- I have no way of knowing -- but the hate-on that some of these people have for you nauseates me.  Stay hot and keep blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love internet drama, but it sounds like there are some strange personal things going on here and hurt feelings, and that bums me out.  Also, the misogyny directed against you in the Boing Boing comments is completely revolting.  Maybe you&#8217;re obnoxious IRL &#8212; I have no way of knowing &#8212; but the hate-on that some of these people have for you nauseates me.  Stay hot and keep blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1739</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a while now, I&#039;ve regularly read boingboing, mostly for no other reason than perverse fascination. How could something so dull be so popular? There are dozens of other blogs that republish the exact same material, and for the most part they have more nuanced, intelligent commentary. They certainly aren&#039;t as self important and pretentious as Xeni/Cory/etc. 
Violet Blue, on the other hand, is fairly new to me. While I am aware of the blog, I don&#039;t live in SF and I had never read anything by her... So today, I came upon the boingboing fiasco, wound up coming to the blog, and hurray, you have a new reader. 
Silly story, popped back into my head while writing this post: I was in germany two years ago at a music festival. The Streets came on and played some songs... He wound up going on a long rant about how Aphex Twin had criticised his music, and then started calling AFX a wanker, etc. Aphex Twin was up next... he got on stage, said absolutely nothing about the comments and belted out some amazing music. I think it was pretty apparent to everyone that he was a hell of a lot more talented, and no dignity was lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a while now, I&#8217;ve regularly read boingboing, mostly for no other reason than perverse fascination. How could something so dull be so popular? There are dozens of other blogs that republish the exact same material, and for the most part they have more nuanced, intelligent commentary. They certainly aren&#8217;t as self important and pretentious as Xeni/Cory/etc.<br />
Violet Blue, on the other hand, is fairly new to me. While I am aware of the blog, I don&#8217;t live in SF and I had never read anything by her&#8230; So today, I came upon the boingboing fiasco, wound up coming to the blog, and hurray, you have a new reader.<br />
Silly story, popped back into my head while writing this post: I was in germany two years ago at a music festival. The Streets came on and played some songs&#8230; He wound up going on a long rant about how Aphex Twin had criticised his music, and then started calling AFX a wanker, etc. Aphex Twin was up next&#8230; he got on stage, said absolutely nothing about the comments and belted out some amazing music. I think it was pretty apparent to everyone that he was a hell of a lot more talented, and no dignity was lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey VB...have you contacted BB about their ginormous mess?  It&#039;s just so odd that...

1) BB didn&#039;t alert you and tell you they were removing all mentions of you from their blog. Even more so that they did it in such an amateur way, as if standards and practices, and basic web etiquette don&#039;t matter to them. 

2) You saw all of your posts were gone and didn&#039;t just send a &#039;what&#039;s up?&#039; to the people at BB that you know.

I love what BoingBoing does.  I love what Violet Blue does.  This is all just to bizarre to comprehend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey VB&#8230;have you contacted BB about their ginormous mess?  It&#8217;s just so odd that&#8230;</p>
<p>1) BB didn&#8217;t alert you and tell you they were removing all mentions of you from their blog. Even more so that they did it in such an amateur way, as if standards and practices, and basic web etiquette don&#8217;t matter to them. </p>
<p>2) You saw all of your posts were gone and didn&#8217;t just send a &#8216;what&#8217;s up?&#8217; to the people at BB that you know.</p>
<p>I love what BoingBoing does.  I love what Violet Blue does.  This is all just to bizarre to comprehend.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1735</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the thing, Al. When you say &quot;This opinion is completely wrong&quot; without actually HAVING a discussion, you aren&#039;t actually interested in discussion. You&#039;re interested in discussions that center around a particular area, and not the one that was brought up.

I have no problem with discussion. I have no problem with you saying, &quot;Sexist? I wonder why someone would think that. Does anyone have an answer?&quot; But that isn&#039;t what you said. You said, &quot;There is no reason to think it is some sort of sexist thing.&quot;

So, you know what? You can say you&#039;re interested in discussion. What I see is that you&#039;re interested in the discussion that you want to have and no other. You realized that you aren&#039;t in control of the conversation so you left it with a nasty parting shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, Al. When you say &#8220;This opinion is completely wrong&#8221; without actually HAVING a discussion, you aren&#8217;t actually interested in discussion. You&#8217;re interested in discussions that center around a particular area, and not the one that was brought up.</p>
<p>I have no problem with discussion. I have no problem with you saying, &#8220;Sexist? I wonder why someone would think that. Does anyone have an answer?&#8221; But that isn&#8217;t what you said. You said, &#8220;There is no reason to think it is some sort of sexist thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, you know what? You can say you&#8217;re interested in discussion. What I see is that you&#8217;re interested in the discussion that you want to have and no other. You realized that you aren&#8217;t in control of the conversation so you left it with a nasty parting shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Billings</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Billings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, more realistically, Emily, as soon as I realized that lotu5 wasn&#039;t really interested in what I had to say, except as a springboard for polemics, I decided not to be the vehicle. I took the time to read the link posts about Etech and simply didn&#039;t see the problem. In fact, it looked like lotu5 was spoiling for a fight (with Cory and now with me) for reasons that are, in the end, unknowable to me. You can say &quot;well played&quot; all that you want and you can tell me that I am not allowed to dismiss things all that I want but, in the end, these are all simply opinions. I&#039;m interested in actual discussions, not simply being the vehicle for someone else&#039;s rants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, more realistically, Emily, as soon as I realized that lotu5 wasn&#8217;t really interested in what I had to say, except as a springboard for polemics, I decided not to be the vehicle. I took the time to read the link posts about Etech and simply didn&#8217;t see the problem. In fact, it looked like lotu5 was spoiling for a fight (with Cory and now with me) for reasons that are, in the end, unknowable to me. You can say &#8220;well played&#8221; all that you want and you can tell me that I am not allowed to dismiss things all that I want but, in the end, these are all simply opinions. I&#8217;m interested in actual discussions, not simply being the vehicle for someone else&#8217;s rants.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1732</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Billings:
&lt;i&gt;I don’t see any further value in engaging with you in this, especially since, as a white male, you’ll probably dismiss anything that I have to say.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, at least you got the last word in.

You can&#039;t dismiss sexism as a white male without providing something more. You can&#039;t just shut down the conversation and say &quot;clearly, this isn&#039;t sexism, and I know because I&#039;m a dudely dude&quot; without getting some pushback. Sorry that the world doesn&#039;t work how you might want it, but you aren&#039;t in control of this conversation.

And, as soon as you realized it, you left. Well played.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Billings:<br />
<i>I don’t see any further value in engaging with you in this, especially since, as a white male, you’ll probably dismiss anything that I have to say.</i></p>
<p>Well, at least you got the last word in.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t dismiss sexism as a white male without providing something more. You can&#8217;t just shut down the conversation and say &#8220;clearly, this isn&#8217;t sexism, and I know because I&#8217;m a dudely dude&#8221; without getting some pushback. Sorry that the world doesn&#8217;t work how you might want it, but you aren&#8217;t in control of this conversation.</p>
<p>And, as soon as you realized it, you left. Well played.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Lacina</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1731</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Lacina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But hey, look on the bright side.  At least you&#039;re in really awesome and powerful company of all the people that BB wants nothing to do with or actively seeks to piss off.

Ursula K Le Guin, EVERY freelance artist that has a website of their work (yay BoingBoing&#039;s support of that &quot;silly&quot; orphan works act) and...China.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But hey, look on the bright side.  At least you&#8217;re in really awesome and powerful company of all the people that BB wants nothing to do with or actively seeks to piss off.</p>
<p>Ursula K Le Guin, EVERY freelance artist that has a website of their work (yay BoingBoing&#8217;s support of that &#8220;silly&#8221; orphan works act) and&#8230;China.</p>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Lacina</title>
		<link>http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2008/06/when-transparency-does-not-equal-erased.html/comment-page-2#comment-1730</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Lacina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is the first time I&#039;ve been to BB in nearly a year.  I&#039;ve pretty much declared them to be bogus, after several of my comments were very non-transparently removed.  

BB and it&#039;s crew, for all their arguments about not being evil, and being open, etc. really is just so much horse shit.  But really, when 90% of their posts are either &quot;ZOMG STEAMPUNK!&quot; or &quot;ZOMG MY BEST FRIEND/MOM/CORY WROTE A BOOK!!11!!!&quot;  followed by some asinine comment about how no artist should want to make a living from their art, and anyone that does is a bad person.

Maybe you should be giving away your books for free.  Maybe that&#039;s what they took a set against.  HOW DARE YOU CHOOSE TO PROFIT FROM YOUR EROTICA ANTHOLOGIES!!!

I digress though.  BB doesn&#039;t have any of the integrity they so desperately claim to cling to.  And their most recent post talking about the &quot;blog war&quot; is just so transparent in it&#039;s lameness.  The fact that they&#039;re unwilling to even contact YOU regarding what they perceive as your flaw...well...that just makes them...ZOMG CHINA!!!1!11!!

And all of this &quot;Well it&#039;s their private thing, they can do what they want.&quot;

Well.  Guess what.  ALL OF THE INTERNET PROVIDERS ARE PRIVATE COMPANIES.  Same with the webhosts.  Same with most big corporations.  And...if they pulled this kind of stunt...BB would be ordering petitions and bake sales.  So wtf.

F &#039;em Vi.  You&#039;re awesome.  &lt;3 You.  And all the fluffy kittens in the world &lt;3 you too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is the first time I&#8217;ve been to BB in nearly a year.  I&#8217;ve pretty much declared them to be bogus, after several of my comments were very non-transparently removed.  </p>
<p>BB and it&#8217;s crew, for all their arguments about not being evil, and being open, etc. really is just so much horse shit.  But really, when 90% of their posts are either &#8220;ZOMG STEAMPUNK!&#8221; or &#8220;ZOMG MY BEST FRIEND/MOM/CORY WROTE A BOOK!!11!!!&#8221;  followed by some asinine comment about how no artist should want to make a living from their art, and anyone that does is a bad person.</p>
<p>Maybe you should be giving away your books for free.  Maybe that&#8217;s what they took a set against.  HOW DARE YOU CHOOSE TO PROFIT FROM YOUR EROTICA ANTHOLOGIES!!!</p>
<p>I digress though.  BB doesn&#8217;t have any of the integrity they so desperately claim to cling to.  And their most recent post talking about the &#8220;blog war&#8221; is just so transparent in it&#8217;s lameness.  The fact that they&#8217;re unwilling to even contact YOU regarding what they perceive as your flaw&#8230;well&#8230;that just makes them&#8230;ZOMG CHINA!!!1!11!!</p>
<p>And all of this &#8220;Well it&#8217;s their private thing, they can do what they want.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well.  Guess what.  ALL OF THE INTERNET PROVIDERS ARE PRIVATE COMPANIES.  Same with the webhosts.  Same with most big corporations.  And&#8230;if they pulled this kind of stunt&#8230;BB would be ordering petitions and bake sales.  So wtf.</p>
<p>F &#8216;em Vi.  You&#8217;re awesome.  &lt;3 You.  And all the fluffy kittens in the world &lt;3 you too.</p>
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